EU, the "insurable" Hypocrits !!! ...

[ProudTurk]

I just happened to come across an article on the Net today which made me aware of the fact that Belgium decided NOT to extradite a woman (a terrorist and a murderer !) to Turkey because Turkey has " execution " in the books (of course not exercised since 1983, but the Government of Belgium, being on the other side of the galaxy, would not have heard about that !!!).

I am constantly shocked by examples of European Hypocricy, the same European Hypocricy that allowed the massacre of first Bosnian Muslims and later the Kosovar Muslims, mostly in a "stone-throw-away" distance from most European capitals !!!.

What your country and other EU states have to become aware of is the fact that "none of you stand on a moral high horse" !!!. You do not have the right to judge which murderers to extradite to what country !!!. Murder is murder and it is a capital offense. Instead of pretending to "stand" for higher moral ideals why NOT eradicate "racism and ethnic discrimination" that exist in your country against the minority foreign workers ?.

The same EU which turned its head the other way when the Iraqi Army was being annihilated by the thousands by a combination of world's most powerful nations now speaks out for a "scum-bag" bloody murderer who killed with "impunity" in a most cold-blooded and callous manner ???.

I am sure most Turks and people of common sense are "sick to the stomach" of your hypocricy !!!.Belgium says Turkish woman must remain in jail

BRUSSELS, Aug 3 (Reuters) - A Belgian interior ministry official said on Thursday a Turkish woman wanted for murder in her homeland must remain in jail in Belgium after the government had ruled against her extradition.

Fehriye Erdal, who has been on hunger strike for nearly three weeks, is accused in Turkey of being a member of an illegal urban guerilla group that claimed responsibility for the killing of industrialist Ozdemir Sabanci and two of his colleagues in 1996.

In May, the Belgian cabinet overruled a Supreme Court decision to extradite Erdal to Turkey, where the death penalty for convicted murderers exists.

Erdal's lawyer Raf Jespers said on Thursday he had written to Interior Minister Antoine Dusquesne complaining about her continued detention.

Interior ministry spokesman Pascal Smet told Reuters: ``The Interior Minister will reply to (the lawyers') letter. He has told the lawyers he does not see her release right now.''

Smet said a court ruling about whether Erdal could be detained was expected next week, though the interior ministry had the right to appeal its decision.

Erdal has been detained on the grounds that she remained a threat to national security. The government was also examining the possibility of transferring her to a third country.

Erdal and three others said to be linked to the far-left militant Revolutionary People's Liberation Party-Front (DHKP-C) were arrested in the Belgian coastal town of Knokke last September. She was carrying a fake identity card and had a small quantity of weapons.

All faced charges of illegal possession of arms but only Erdal remains in prison.

[strella]

I agree that Europeans (NOT ALL) are indeed hipocrites..For example , they are against the death penalty ,and are furious with Americans about it , but in the other hand most Europeans will not condemn racism, and the unfairly treatment of those poor immigrant workers in Europe , it doesn't make any sense , but i do smell hypocricy indeed..

[Suleyman_Aga]

Selam dostum!!!

Take a look at my words in another thread

http://www.belgium.com/forums/showth...?threadid=1379

When Europe needed people to work, they called the Turks...now they have all they wanted, they think it´s time to "kick" the Turks, who did more for Europe than those idiots in elegant clothes who think are the maximum in culture, civilization and desenvolviment!!!
Long Life Turkey!!! Down EU!!!

[imported_grafix]

Originally posted by Jacques
Selam dostum!!!

Take a look at my words in another thread

http://www.belgium.com/forums/showth...?threadid=1379

When Europe needed people to work, they called the Turks...now they have all they wanted, they think it´s time to "kick" the Turks, who did more for Europe than those idiots in elegant clothes who think are the maximum in culture, civilization and desenvolviment!!!
Long Life Turkey!!! Down EU!!!

Excellent post Jacques. Countries like Germany need to stop being so hypocritical. Europe has exhibited every trait they 'blame' the turks for. Colonization, slavery, and the mass exploitation of third world countries is still fresh in the minds of many people around the world.

Yet they prefer acting like their culture (or history) is completely void from such barbarities and attempt to judge the turks.
I can only laugh at that

Originally posted by Jacques
Selam dostum!!!

Take a look at my words in another thread

http://www.belgium.com/forums/showth...?threadid=1379

When Europe needed people to work, they called the Turks...now they have all they wanted, they think it´s time to "kick" the Turks, who did more for Europe than those idiots in elegant clothes who think are the maximum in culture, civilization and desenvolviment!!!
Long Life Turkey!!! Down EU!!!

If you hates Turks as I assume you do from what I have read of your posts sadly why then bother to write in the language just what are you trying to achive?

I have a question are you a member on turkey.com under the name of portugal?

[Niquie]

Top, Jacques does not appear to "hate Turks." Quite the contrary. I read his posts and I find him to want Turkey into the EU. Furthermore, he believes that the Turkish people have been unnecessarily exploited and treated in less than a respectful manner by European countries. Much like the United States treats Mexico. It's fine to bring them into the U.S. to do everything from picking fruit to rearing American children, but hey! Don't ask for any equality or decent pay. You be a foreigner!

Did I miss something, sweetie?

[imported_grafix]

Niquie-you have it on the dime. That is the case.

Furthermore this is also a north-south issue within theEU as well.
They would rather expand northward, and not southward-and Jacques is pointing towards that as well.

But most significantly-the EU has been dangling the carrot to turkey for decades now. Turkey is in a special category never before used for any other country. She still hasn't been given a date to 'talk' about accession withthe EU while Romania (with a worse economy and horrendous human rights record) has already been promised accession.

Now this is obvious: the liberals in the EU want turkey to be a part, yet the conservtives still view the EU as a christian club and despise the turks as their arch nemesis-if you look into history you will see that up until WW1, a majority of the wars of Europe consisted of
The Crusaders (all of europe)vs. the Ottoman muslim Turks.

What they plan on doing by showing the carrot is to get more concessions from Turkey.
If the EU can get more land for their spoiled brat Greece in Cyprus...

if they can perhaps (through agreements) buy more Turkish land and other natural resources, in short if they can invest in Turkey

and if they can keep Turkey in a cage because if Turkey is let loose, she will find other partnerships and decide to act as the protectorate the muslims in the balkans, or the Turkics in Iraq, Iran, the caucasus..(which means more headaches for the EU)..

In short if Europe can keep Turkey from becoming a power yet once again, BUT while doing so if she can have Turkey wrapped around her finger-the EU will have done its job.

That is the gist of it all...


And one more thing: while I see Europeans constantly complaining about Turkeys human rights record-they overlook the oppression within an EU country: GREECE.

The turkish minority in Greece up until a decade ago wasn't permitted to buy real estate or anything of significant value BY LAW.

In fact Greece's assimilation policies include denying the Turks their ethnicity by defining them as 'Muslim Greeks' as opposed "turkish Greeks".

Furthermore one cannot overlook the suffering of the Pomaks-a minority in Greece which is being oppressed like no other in the world today.

While this is happening in a EU country-why is the EU turning a blind eye to the violations of Greece?
why are not the Europeans content on cleaning up their own back yard?

Until they do- I believe the EU lacks the moral superiority to judge Turkey.

and finally: i too do not believe Turkey belongs within the EU. Her history, her culture..Everything about Turkey proves that she deserves not to be bogged down by the daily antics of the EU, but rather to act as a bridge between the East and West.
In short Turkeys historical mission far surpasses the EU or any other Union.
But it would be impossible for the hypocritical EU to understand this at all.



[Edited by grafix on 23rd November 2002 at 17:18]

[Marmaduke]

Good to see you found something to get you teeth into here Graphix !

The fact is the EU is rather keen to swallow up smaller East European (and former communist) states. I guess partly becuase they are non-threatening and partly because they still act as a buffer towards the great Bear of Russia (in the unlikely event that a country of this size and with an economy the size of the Netherlands) decides to exert its presence again.

The trouble with Turkey is that it is not populated by white North European Christians. I would like to see Turkey adopt a plan to say, achieve, 'White Christian' status, by say 2010 when they can then be 'one of us'. Any Non-White Muslim can be dumped in, say, Lebanon, which seem the prefered dumping ground for the undesirable. I think this will quickly resolve the problem for Turkey (I am being ironic Tops )

[imported_grafix]

Originally posted by Jasperthecat
. I would like to see Turkey adopt a plan to say, achieve, 'White Christian' status, by say 2010 when they can then be 'one of us'. Any Non-White Muslim can be dumped in, say, Lebanon, which seem the prefered dumping ground for the undesirable. I think this will quickly resolve the problem for Turkey (I am being ironic Tops )

jasper that's an excellent idea (note the irony )
I agree-perhaps we could also send some 'skin lighteners' as well as some 'bleach' to Turkey. Once all women reach official 'blonde' status in Turkey the next step would be to demolish all mosques and stop circumsicion throughout the country
Kebap can be banned and Only Mc Donald's should be given the rights to the McBaklava
that should to the trick-I'll fax the Turkish prime minister personally I can't believe they didn't think of that heheeh

AS for the remaining 'muslims' we can send them off to Palestine-who needs 'em anyways-they're probably terrorists like all muslims are (!)

the IDF would know what to do with them-they have years of experience

[Marmaduke]

Well, I am not so sure about the women, I quite fancy that dusky dark eyed look myself, isn't there a convenient postitution trade they can be sold into- we take them from about the age of 11 or 12 here, and once they get fat, they can service the kebab trade here (when the pubs clear out).

Hell, I know there was that period of, what 700 years or so, when there was equilibium between Christain, Jews and Musilms, that gave us in Chrisondem most of the translations of Christain texts (the idiots !! They wasted good time learning Hebrew, Arameic, Latin and Greek when they should have just learnt to make a decent kebab that doesn't make you throw up !)

Do you know what those sad idiot did for western culture ! Zero ! Yes they bothered to translate those other non-white Christian people, from the Indian continent who 'invented' zero (let's not get philosophical here and say 'discovered', opps, wasn't it those Mulsim's who did all that translation of Plato and Aristotle)- and what did we get ! Alegebra !

They gave us the concept of zero (which the Greeks never had) The idenity element of arithemtic. The b@stards- fancy giving us that- what good has that been to anyone..oh yes, the computer industry, well, we invented "1" so half of that is ours...what do you mean we didn't ?

I know Iraq is supposed to be the centre of world culture, the country (not that it was Iraq at the time) that gave rise to the Summerian culture who first used written language, and probably invented the wheel. Or that other backward dump, Egypt, who's only contribution to culture are some nice tourist attractions and the suspicion they may have know a great deal about astronomy before us western Christians knew which way was up. I guess only the Chinese can lay claim to such a rich culture. What's more, thoses b@stards did nothing but not fight a great deal (unlike us good Christians, who before the invention of TV evengalism felt the need to deliver the good Lord's message personally at the end of a crusade).

What have you given us, but bitter Turkish coffee, kebabs, and a failed empire. Look at England, we have bitter McDonalds coffee, bad kebabs and a failed empire, but heck, we didn't give the world Alegrba did we

I wrote that for you benefit Graphix, so other readers (some chance here) please don't take offence

[imported_grafix]

jasper
Well put for those who know anything about the art of 'irony'
your post is so perfect i have nothing to add
you topped me-no wonder UA is afraid of you
Better to have you as a friend than a foe hehe

[Niquie]

.......my mother always told me my grandfather (her father) was quite a historian. And he always insisted that Iraq was the seat of civilization.

I remember hearing that when I was a child. But I had no clue as to what, much less where, Iraq was.

My mother reminded me of this just last weekend.

Iraq -- the seat of civilization.

My grandfather was a very wise and learned man. I must look into this further.

[Suleyman_Aga]

Originally posted by TopkapiPalace

If you hates Turks as I assume you do from what I have read of your posts sadly why then bother to write in the language just what are you trying to achive?

I have a question are you a member on turkey.com under the name of portugal?

Topkapï... you posted a lot of nonsense everywhere... I´ll reply all them here...

First, I love the Turks... pay attention to what you read, I´m blaming Europe for using the Turks and then disdaining them... I called EU "Nazi group" and Turk is better out... but I said it in a very sarcastic way...
Yep, I WAS Portugal there... I forgot that place and I hope you don´t bore me talking about "Nightflight" and some others...

Regards and MORE ATTENTION... I don´t deserve this...

[Proud_Belgian]

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Instead of pretending to "stand" for higher moral ideals why NOT eradicate "racism and ethnic discrimination" that exist in your country against the minority foreign workers ?.

Whoa! Hey, that's a good idea. Why didn't we think of that before?...One can not simply 'eradicate' racism. It's a part of any culture.

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The same EU which turned its head the other way when the Iraqi Army was being annihilated by the thousands by a combination of world's most powerful nations now speaks out for a "scum-bag" bloody murderer who killed with "impunity" in a most cold-blooded and callous manner ???.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. In the case you're saying we are supporting America in the Iraq war, that's not true. Only some countries are, and Belgium isn't.
The situation now is completely different than in the firt Gulf War. They got attacked because they invaded Kuwait. Now the reason of an attack is that they 'probably' have weapons of mass destruction, and 'pose a threat' to the free world. Iraq is weak. Saddam is evil, but he's not dumb. He knows that, if he attacked any country, he would simply get his country attacked. If anyone poses a threat, it's the US.

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For example , they are against the death penalty ,and are furious with Americans about it , but in the other hand most Europeans will not condemn racism, and the unfairly treatment of those poor immigrant workers in Europe , it doesn't make any sense , but i do smell hypocricy indeed..

I'm not quite sure what the death penalty has to do with racism? And how are Europeans more racist than Americans? Didn't an American senator make a pro-separation statement? Why do you think those 'poor immigrant workers' get discriminated? Most Europeans do NOT condemn racism??? I don't know a single person that doesn't utterly condemn racism. Where the hell did you get that idea? Black, Arab and Asian people don't even get looked at.

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When Europe needed people to work, they called the Turks...now they have all they wanted, they think it´s time to "kick" the Turks, who did more for Europe than those idiots in elegant clothes who think are the maximum in culture, civilization and desenvolviment!!!
Long Life Turkey!!! Down EU!!!

Tell me, who wants to 'kick' the Turks out? Yes, there are racist people out there, but they are few and are loathed by others. There isn't a single political party that wants to 'kick' the Turks out. (No, not even het Vlaams Blok, which gets boycotted by all other party's for it's sometimes racist comments.)

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But most significantly-the EU has been dangling the carrot to turkey for decades now. Turkey is in a special category never before used for any other country. She still hasn't been given a date to 'talk' about accession withthe EU while Romania (with a worse economy and horrendous human rights record) has already been promised accession.

Yes, I agree Turkey should be in the EU. Just a little adjusting on human rights. Some people say Turkey shouldn't be in the EU for being muslim. I find that hard to understand in the 21st century.


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What they plan on doing by showing the carrot is to get more concessions from Turkey.
If the EU can get more land for their spoiled brat Greece in Cyprus...

Maybe you don't remember, but it was the Turks who invaded Cyprus in the first place.

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The fact is the EU is rather keen to swallow up smaller East European (and former communist) states. I guess partly becuase they are non-threatening and partly because they still act as a buffer towards the great Bear of Russia (in the unlikely event that a country of this size and with an economy the size of the Netherlands) decides to exert its presence again.

Russia is no threat whatsoever, we have a good relationship with them.