WW I

[ninswe104]

I have been thinking about the war to end all wars and why it failed.

Here is my theory: If Germany had won the war Hitler probably hadn't come to power becouse the Germans wouyldnt have felt betrayed by the German surrende, and the depression might not have happend. But as always alternative history is hard to predict. Maby another hitler from France or England might have risen to avenge france and england. One thing is clear the peace resolutions for WW I was to hard on Germany and austria-hungary. THe germans were forced to leave allsace Loirraine, Danzig most of eastern germany, And they were not allowed to have any fleet a very little army no air force and were humiliated by the victorers.

Anyone else have an input?

[ninswe104]

Yes we are lucky that WW III hasn't happend yet (although it has been close at times). Its a very unstable world we live in and I beleave that something terrible will happen soon. Just listen to the news The Germans are angry at the Italians the french and the americans hate eachother and every country in the world soon haev nukes (except Sweden maby).

i agree. if we handeled ww1 better ww2 would of never happened. i also belive ww3 will happen really soon. sooner than we all think. and it will probly be against the americans and most of europe. i just hope im not around to see it!!!!

[paka]

and some would argue that the cold war was WWIII - i agree with this. you had the soviet bloc and its allies versus the USA and its allies ready to obliterate each other, only to be quelled with the thought mutual destruction. not much happened on the traditional battle fields since both sides were armed to the teeth in nuclear weapons; if it weren't for that, i think the communists would've invaded more countries - their gov'ts relied on the complete control of resources and not in open market competition. it ended when the USSR fell apart...

and i agree that the extensive reparations of the versailles treaty failed to prevent WWII. the conditions were set for hitler to ride the public sentiment of the time.

WWIV ?

as much as countries disagree with each other politically, it becomes more difficult for countries to fall into a massive world conflict if the same countries partake in a single system of trade. globalisation can help prevent another WWII....or thats the theory, at least.

[paka]

i totally feel your [heavy sigh]...

****, sometimes i feel that its in our human natures to disagree with each other and bludgeon the opposition personally, i do think that globalisation, when implemented fairly and democratically, can unite this world like no other time in history...then we can go on to building a real life USS Enterprise and sail the galaxy ...but unfortunately, there are greedy capitalist skewing its development for their own ends crossing paths with the wannabe communists radicals, and i haven't even considered the terrorists who want to party like its AD1199 !

unfortunately, these heated debates and collisions can lead to more battles and wars if not kept in check...

makes you wonder, do we even want peace ?

[paka]

and that, Niquie, is the million dollar thought of the last 2000 years

[PaulMc]

Quote:
"Oh, Willie McBride it all happened again:
And again, and again, and again and again"

from "The Band played Waltzing Matilda!
(which I first heard at the Tønder Folk Festival, sung by Eric Bogle).

[vargtass]

Iam maybe late with this reply, but who cares ;D

WW1 happend becouse of many many reasons, same as for the WW2. The cold war maybe could be called WW3, and in fact it was only 2 hours away from escalating into a nuclear war between Russia and the US. The Cuba crisis etc.

Why there is so many wars is becouse the human beeing herself doesnt live long enough, and the leaders of certain countries seems to not study their history, becouse they are making the same mistake over and over again.

If you look in the history books you can see many simularities with the wars 500 years ago with todays, but some of them are blurred by religius objectives, but if you look under them, you´ll see, that economic reasons has always dominated the wars.

[ninswe104]

Vargtass exactly my point world leaders are very quick to shred away the past as irrelevant. FOr an example take the Swedish entry into the thirty years war. The official reason was to "save the protestant countries" and protect Sweden from an attack by the "evil" emperor. The reason was alalong money, honor and power. Those are the three major things in al human wars.

[talented_mr_englishman]

ok ,basically i think america is totally ****ed up,SORRY ABOUT my laungage,they think they have the right to police the world,well they dont,since George"dubya backward idiot" Bush came to power,the world is a very unstable place,america has no respect for other cultures and no respect for muslims,just because america is a bastard nation made up of about 200 hundred different nations,isnt it funny how america starts a fight with irac,who they thought would be a crowd pleaser,"easy victory"for the people ,funny how things turn out!lol,you dont see america start a fight with a nation with any substance and could actually hold their ground ,AMERICA ARE COWARDS!lol,the way america ***** foots around n.korea its laughable,oh and america its a bouttime you stated to give europe a bit of respect,because were the only friends you got!(me excluded)the rest of the world hates you and your bull**** policies,lol the whole nation is one big joke!lol arnie for president woohoo!anyway just my 2 cents!!

[England987]

Correct. Americans are all talk. They like to make movies that try to show how brave they are, but in real life they are cowards. You have Yanks watching the Iraw war on the news, and they sent there yelling "Go on! Kick their butts!" But if they themselves were actually in a war against Iraqi troops, they would be the first ones to soil their pants. They even got British soldiers to do certain tasks in Iraq because they were too cowardly to do it themselves but they knew that the British were brave enough. They can only find wars against small, poor nations like Iraq or Afghanistan. If they went to war against a country like Britain they would stand no chance. On the day, Britain can beat anyone in a war, even the US. I mean, the US is a nation that cannot even beat Vietnam, so what chance would they stand against a big power like Britain or Germany?

[England987]

Arnie can't be President, because you have to be born there to be President. So the country that says it has freedom and opportunity for all DOESN'T have freedom and opportunity for all.

[England987]

Originally posted by England987
Correct. Americans are all talk. They like to make movies that try to show how brave they are, but in real life they are cowards. You have Yanks watching the Iraw war on the news, and they sent there yelling "Go on! Kick their butts!" But if they themselves were actually in a war against Iraqi troops, they would be the first ones to soil their pants. They even got British soldiers to do certain tasks in Iraq because they were too cowardly to do it themselves but they knew that the British were brave enough. They can only find wars against small, poor nations like Iraq or Afghanistan. If they went to war against a country like Britain they would stand no chance. On the day, Britain can beat anyone in a war, even the US. I mean, the US is a nation that cannot even beat Vietnam, so what chance Even in Britain (supposedly America's closest ally) most people were against the Iraq war. I think the only country other than the US that had a majority of its population who were for the Iraq war was Israel.

Your remark about the USA people is quite
disgusting. Rubbish I'd say.......

If the Government is bad, I can't understand
why you must insult the whole people.

Do you think your country is so perfect ?
And the people are all brave and good ?

You behave like Superman but you're just
a little noisy mosquito.

[England987]

Our people ARE brave. Unlike the Italian. All you ever do during a war is panic and then run away from the enemy. You are pretty good at surrendering. The Americans are also not as brave as the Brits. During Gulf War II they got the Brit soldiers to break into certain houses and buildings, because they knew the Brits would be brave enough to do it even though they themselves weren't. Even out PART-TIME soldiers (The Territorials) train longer than the American FULL-TIME soldiers. The British army is the best. Also, I don't think you should be generalising 60 million people.