"What have the Romans done for us?"

[PaulMc]

Druidsmith, somewhere along the line our families must be connected, somehow!!

My line goes directly back to Dermot, High King of Tara, and is recorded in the Book of Kells.

You refer to the 2nd King of Scotland being the 131st King of Ireland: this ought to demonstrate quite clearly the difference in historical lineage and culture of the Irish vs. Scottish Celts ......

[DruidSmith]

Hey, cousin... Our families are indeed connected. I have a few lines to Dermot as well.

Dalriada (Scotland) was settled by the Irish- The lineage and culture is thus ultimately NO different. We were just separated by a little water.

The Scots and Irish have always known they were cousins, and we have united many a time and come to each others' aid over the years against the Sassenach

I heard a little saying that is said to be English. Actually it may have been here I read it first. Anyway, it was this:

"The only difference between an Irishman and a Scot was that the Scot learned to swim."



Don't take offense to that. In case you've not read, my ancestors were also from Scotland. (Fletchers from Glen Orchy)

[mykfin]

La Girl

Glen Orchy is a really beautiful part of the Highlands.I go through this area every year when i walk the West Highland Way.To anybody interested in walking i would highly recommend it.

The West Highland Way is just over 100 miles long and starts just outside Glasgow and ends in Fort William, it goes through some of the best scenery in Scotland.

Just bootiful!!

[PaulMc]

No offence taken, LA Girl: it just proves yet again that there wouldn't be any Scots if there hadn't been Irish Celts earlier in history ....

As for the English, you forgot the last bit of the sentence:

"An Englishman is a Scot whose Dad bought a bike ..... "

We don't need to wear a skirt to prove our
manhood. We just do that certain thing with
the women who appreciate that. In every
season, not only in winter.

For the same reason we don't need to boast
about our ancestors. We show our real
individual value. Given that, I don't trust
any word said by a scot as when they come
to Italy they whine and wail against English
and in many cases Irish people. Then when
there are English and Irish people around
they complain about the Italians. The evident
behaviour of children in search of their
single mother and many fathers.

As for Ireland they can hold they've never
been defeated by the Romans. History has it.
The great and big different between Ireland
and scotland and wales.

In addition to that, Ireland achieved a Real
Independence and became a Republic.
scotland pathetically was just given a
mercyful devolution but they must still
maintain the oath of allegiance to the
English Crown.

As for whisky, or better whiskey, the Irish
started the production many years earlier.
The Real water of life is theirs. To say
nothing of the great Stouts and Ales, very
popular also here in Italy. Irish Coffee is
another great invention.

I once saw a match of Gaelic Football. That's
really tough, I must say. Not the pathetic
games played by arrogant and spoilt children
who can't even get any real independence.
WHERE IS YOUR INDEPENDENCE, CHILDREN ?

Go to your single mother and many
fathers and don't b.tch in our private
parts. We can get interested in just
your sisters. Lycka till och ha det
så jättebra.

PS. You see Sweden, another real independent
country. There are so many all over the
world. scotland is not. See the difference ?

Originally posted by wally-the-walrus
We don't need to wear a skirt to prove our
manhood. We just do that certain thing with
the women who appreciate that. In every
season, not only in winter.

For the same reason we don't need to boast
about our ancestors. We show our real
individual value. Given that, I don't trust
any word said by a scot as when they come
to Italy they whine and wail against English
and in many cases Irish people. Then when
there are English and Irish people around
they complain about the Italians. The evident
behaviour of children in search of their
single mother and many fathers.

As for Ireland they can hold they've never
been defeated by the Romans. History has it.
The great and big different between Ireland
and scotland and wales.

In addition to that, Ireland achieved a Real
Independence and became a Republic.
scotland pathetically was just given a
mercyful devolution but they must still
maintain the oath of allegiance to the
English Crown.

As for whisky, or better whiskey, the Irish
started the production many years earlier.
The Real water of life is theirs. To say
nothing of the great Stouts and Ales, very
popular also here in Italy. Irish Coffee is
another great invention.

I once saw a match of Gaelic Football. That's
really tough, I must say. Not the pathetic
games played by arrogant and spoilt children
who can't even get any real independence.
WHERE IS YOUR INDEPENDENCE, CHILDREN ?

Go to your single mother and many
fathers and don't b.tch in our private
parts. We can get interested in just
your sisters. Lycka till och ha det
så jättebra.

PS. You see Sweden, another real independent
country. There are so many all over the
world. scotland is not. See the difference ?

Anyway anyhow my words are connected with
history.

And the great link with Italy was also sustained
by William Shakespeare who plotted several plays
in Italy. To say nothing of Julius Caesar, of
course. Doesn't that name remind you scot-celts
anything ? And I can understand why you hate
England and Italy. They both hurt your stupid
pride. You always want to be considered warriors.
And what should we be considered in that case ?
Gods ? Thor and Odin ? May the thunder and lightning
strike you more than once, in that case !!!

Just in case, during my military service I was
a Paratrooper. You scots around, I'm sure, spent
that time by ....washing toilets wearing skirts.
And we can imagine what happened with the other
soldiers behind you....it still hurts and burns !!!
Is that the manhood you talk about ?

And I can also understand why the Romans found
the victory over scot-celts so easy.
For instance, it was much more difficult the
victory over the French ones.
And they've never defeated the Irish. And this
is why I consider The Irish the only Real Celts.

And as a consequence of that, they are also
a really Independent Country. These things can
really be pride.

So I see the Irish Pride. But the scotch and
the welsh back......Better you don't even talk
about !!! 'Stop scotching and welsh back'
Old Saxon expression for....chicken out.

Now Paul you said you were joking and I'm joking.
At least in my words there is also truth. Isn't
it true Londinium ? 'Veni, vidi, vici'.

The Real Origin Of England. Not the celts which
used to feed on chicken's grass.

Lycka till och....veni,vidi,vici in This Blessed
Plot, This Realm, This Earth, This England.
And not that scotland or that wales. That
Ireland ( EIRE ) if you want to talk about
Real Celts we have no problems to admire also,
sometimes ( very often ).

Without forgetting This....

[DruidSmith]

Wally, did you forget to take your special pills again?

I never said anything about hating English or Italians. In fact, I have plenty of English and Italian in my family. You just pick something up and run with it, don't you....

Oh, and by the way, you get another detention, and your assignment this time will be to go and read some more history books.

Like Alba, Eire also had many an incursion, conquest and occupation of its territories over the years, from Vikings, to English, to Normans, and so on.

With regard to Scots and Romans, the Romans were in Scotland but NEVER conquered the Scots. Agricola first suppressed the lowland tribes and made some advances into Scotland circa 80AD. The Picts from the highlands pushed them back and held them along the Forth and Clyde valley line. After Domitian's accession in 81AD, he redoubled Roman efforts, and sent 40,000 Roman troops to the battle at Mons Graupius, where he did defeat the local tribes in Aberdeenshire, only to eventually retreat again abandoning the forts on the Forth and Clyde valleys as they were under pressure at other battle fronts, 84-100AD.

In 122AD they retreated further yet, building Hadrian's wall. In 141, they again tried pushing north, and built the Antonine wall, but by 160AD they had again been pushed back to Hadrian's wall, with a sort of zone created between.

In 208 to 212, Septimus Severus tried pushing north again, with varying degrees of success, however this military campaign ended at the time of his death.

Until this time, the tribes were Picts and Caledonians (earlier Celts than Scots, more closely related to the Britons and Welsh)

It was not until 350AD that Fergus came across from Ireland to establish the branch of Scottish Celts. These new Scots united with the Picts, the lowlander Saxons and other tribes to push the Romans out, and by 367AD, the Romans had completely abandoned any hope of conquering Scotland.

Originally posted by wally-the-walrus
Anyway anyhow my words are connected with
history.

And the great link with Italy was also sustained
by William Shakespeare who plotted several plays
in Italy. To say nothing of Julius Caesar, of
course. Doesn't that name remind you scot-celts
anything ? And I can understand why you hate
England and Italy. They both hurt your stupid
pride. You always want to be considered warriors.
And what should we be considered in that case ?
Gods ? Thor and Odin ? May the thunder and lightning
strike you more than once, in that case !!!

Just in case, during my military service I was
a Paratrooper. You scots around, I'm sure, spent
that time by ....washing toilets wearing skirts.
And we can imagine what happened with the other
soldiers behind you....it still hurts and burns !!!
Is that the manhood you talk about ?

And I can also understand why the Romans found
the victory over scot-celts so easy.
For instance, it was much more difficult the
victory over the French ones.
And they've never defeated the Irish. And this
is why I consider The Irish the only Real Celts.

And as a consequence of that, they are also
a really Independent Country. These things can
really be pride.

So I see the Irish Pride. But the scotch and
the welsh back......Better you don't even talk
about !!! 'Stop scotching and welsh back'
Old Saxon expression for....chicken out.

Now Paul you said you were joking and I'm joking.
At least in my words there is also truth. Isn't
it true Londinium ? 'Veni, vidi, vici'.

The Real Origin Of England. Not the celts which
used to feed on chicken's grass.

Lycka till och....veni,vidi,vici in This Blessed
Plot, This Realm, This Earth, This England.
And not that scotland or that wales. That
Ireland ( EIRE ) if you want to talk about
Real Celts we have no problems to admire also,
sometimes ( very often ).

Without forgetting This....

Was it you doing the poking from behind Wally? if so it explains a lot.......CLAN MURRAY 1000 years!

Originally posted by PaulMc
No offence taken, LA Girl: it just proves yet again that there wouldn't be any Scots if there hadn't been Irish Celts earlier in history ....

As for the English, you forgot the last bit of the sentence:

"An Englishman is a Scot whose Dad bought a bike ..... "

Heh.. I don't remember that part.

I will now!

Originally posted by mykfin2003
La Girl

Glen Orchy is a really beautiful part of the Highlands.I go through this area every year when i walk the West Highland Way.To anybody interested in walking i would highly recommend it.

The West Highland Way is just over 100 miles long and starts just outside Glasgow and ends in Fort William, it goes through some of the best scenery in Scotland.

Just bootiful!!

I've heard that it's very pretty there.. but I haven't been there, My husband and I plan to go to Scotland sometime to explore a bit.

I'm too old to go on a 100 mile hike.. but I can find other things to do

I like castle hopping.

[mykfin]

La Girl

You wouldn`t have to walk the whole way, you could just do the Glen Orchy walk or alternatively drive round by car, the roads are excellent.

Talking of too old to do 100 miles, three years ago i met two sisters and their mother and they were all doing the west highland way. The sisters were twins and were 58 years old and the mother was in her late 80s. Ok they weren`t carrying heavy rucksacks and the mother missed some of the dodgy parts but they all finished the walk. So your never too old to walk, anyway if i can do it-----anybody can.

http://www.west-highland-way.co.uk

Don't worry DruidSmith, I have myself some
Scottish friends. Including two or three
teachers who gave great contribution to my
English as you can see in my posts. Kidding
again, of course. I don't remember in which
post I sent also a photo of A Scottish castle.
And, secret....I visited also Scotland.
Very beautiful country. The Romans missed a
great occasion in not paying a visit to it.

And no I wasn't one of the ones from behind.
That was clearly a joke !!!!I wasn't even
the one in front, of course. It'd be dangerous
here wearing a skirt with nothing underneath.
I mean underwear with that nothing...
Do you remember ? There is nothingness under
their skirts. The point is that you are all
malicious in interpreting what I just meant
....knickers. No stitch on under. As for the
organ it can be the musical instrument, if
you interpret in another way it's not my
problem. You'd better take a pill for your
nothingness. Just to hide it ! Interpret it
as you want now. I quit my explanation about
what I really mean in my posts. You do it as
you want as you are even more malicious than
I, that's the truth you'd better admit(t).

Anyway a big CIAO and Lycka till. The lycka
till is always meant as it is. No interpretation,
I'm afraid. And it means to me, all the best....
without any pill !

Originally posted by wally-the-walrus
Don't worry DruidSmith, I have myself some
Scottish friends. Including two or three
teachers who gave great contribution to my
English as you can see in my posts. Kidding
again, of course. I don't remember in which
post I sent also a photo of A Scottish castle.
And, secret....I visited also Scotland.
Very beautiful country. The Romans missed a
great occasion in not paying a visit to it.

And no I wasn't one of the ones from behind.
That was clearly a joke !!!!I wasn't even
the one in front, of course. It'd be dangerous
here wearing a skirt with nothing underneath.
I mean underwear with that nothing...
Do you remember ? There is nothingness under
their skirts. The point is that you are all
malicious in interpreting what I just meant
....knickers. No stitch on under. As for the
organ it can be the musical instrument, if
you interpret in another way it's not my
problem. You'd better take a pill for your
nothingness. Just to hide it ! Interpret it
as you want now. I quit my explanation about
what I really mean in my posts. You do it as
you want as you are even more malicious than
I, that's the truth you'd better admit(t).

Anyway a big CIAO and Lycka till. The lycka
till is always meant as it is. No interpretation,
I'm afraid. And it means to me, all the best....
without any pill !

Thats ok Wally, we were kidding to...