Swedish-Danish Slave Trade

[SoulmanUS]

During the Slave trade Sweden and Denmark built a fort outside of Ghana. It was called Christianborg. It brought African slaves rrom Africa to the Danish Virgin Island. Has anyone read about that period of history?

[bosse_s]

No, but it would be interesting to hear more about that. It seem to be little information out there on the Swedish part of the slave-trade, however it is a fact that Sweden trated with the French to get the Island of S:t Barth - and that king Gustaf III gave the Västindiska kompaniet (West Indian Company) the right to by slaves in western Africa and use Saint Barth as a port for "further export".

This was in the end of the 18th century. Sweden abolished slave-trade on the colony in 1813 - but slavery was not abolished there until 1847, some fourteen years later than the U.S Northern states and England abolished slavery!

source: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaveri

[thule]

I knew about the slave trade but I had no idea about any fort. Sounds strange that Sweden would build any kind of fort with the danish considering how often we were at war with eachother a few hundred years ago. When was this slave fort built?


/Alex

[bosse_s]

I found this info which might enligthen a bit:

" (---) In the year 1471 Portugese (sp?) explorers arrive to Ghana, and soon thereafter portugese and other european tradingstations are established among the coast. The Elmona Fort was established 1482 by the Portugese, as the first European slave station on the coast of Ghana. This was followed by British, Dutch, Danish, Bradenburger and Swedish tradingstations and fortifications. The most important goods apart from slaves, was gold and ivory." (My translation)

The text does not indicate that there would have been any "joint-venture" between the Danes and the Swedes. But this was during the years of the Kalmar-union, and Sten Sture and Johan II (son of Danish and Norweigan King Kristian I)... so, maybe it is plausible that it was built by Danes and Swedes together? I am lousy at history, and I learn a lot as I go along here - hopefully Alex or someone can help clarify...

Source: http://w1.132.telia.com/~u13205791/v%E4stafrika.html

Originaltext:

"Ghana"
Alternativa namn: Guldkusten (1874-1957).
Förhistoria (- 1874)

Flera rivaliserande småstater uppstår i området ca 1100. Mandefolket kommer till de nordliga delarna på 1300t. De centraliserade staterna Mamprusi, Gonja, Dagomba och Nanumba grundas under 1300t och 1400t. Ekonomin domineras av handel med guld och kolanötter. År 1471 anländer portugisiska upptäcktsresande, och snart etableras portugisiska och andra europeiska handelsstationer vid kusten. Elmonafortet grundas 1482 av portugiserna, som den första europeiska slavstationen på Ghanas kust. Denna följs sedan av brittiska, nederländska, danska, brandenburgska och svenska handelsstationer och befästningar. De viktigaste handelsvarorna blir förutom slavar, även guld och elfenben. På 1500t flyttar hausafolk till området. Under 1700t finns ca 100 kända statsbildningar i Ghana. De dominerande folkslagen är ashanti och fanti, med bland annat det betydande riket Ashanti i centrala Ghana. Britterna får på 1800t en dominerande ställning i kustområdet, som nu kallas Guldkusten. Och från ca 1860 har nederländarna spelat ut sin roll."

[ninswe104]

I don't remember them having any tradestations that early...
But i do know that under the 17th century sweden had a colony there. But i don't think they dealt in slave trade. The swedes allied with some of the local powers and actually shut the portugese out of the place for awhile.
But thanks to the Portuguise naval supuriority the swedes had to give up.

This is taken directly from my memory so somethins may not be true and I apologize if I don't make any sense

But very important question. Is this only for
Swedes and Danes or also the people from Skåne
and other countries are welcome ?

[bosse_s]

Wally - I think you are the first person I have ever met making such a distinction between Swedes and people from Skåne. Why do you?

I really don´t get your point

A racist moderator little devil, I see.
And what's your nationality instead ? Jävla fan ?
I'm not afraid of devils anyway. The more you want
to appear aggressive, the more you are pathetic and
idiot. So stop bit..ing in my private parts.
Go to hell if you want to be a devil. And set fire
to yourself. Need any help ? A racist little idiot
devil that's what you are.

As for Bosse, I didn't mean to make a difference
between Skåne and Sweden. I also posted photos of
Stockholm, Uppsala and just think Åmål in the
Swedish Alphabet for the letter Å. Though that
town was treated very badly by a certain
imperialist usa movie industry. And the great
Lars von Triers did great revenge with Dogville.

So you see for me Danmark, Sweden, Norway and
Finland have never been in my hate. The thing is
I was dismissed several times for my love of
Skåne. So I do reverse the question. Where is the
problem if I love Skåne ? And is there any problem
if I post photos of Skåne ? Do the same with
Stockholm if you want and you'll be more than
welcome. But why always that fuss just because
Skåne conquered my Italian heart ?

Lycka till.

[bosse_s]

Originally posted by wally-the-walrus
But very important question. Is this only for
Swedes and Danes or also the people from Skåne
and other countries are welcome ?

You see, Wally, I have no problem if you love Skåne. Fact is, I love that you do so. But why the question quoted above? I don´t get it, why is that question important to you (do you think that this topic is for Swedes with Skåne excluded only?), and why do you seperate people from Skåne with from both Swedes and Danes?

Maybe it is a problem of a language, because I really do not get it.

The issue is slave-trade, by the way.

[ninswe104]

I would

[ninswe104]

Ofcourse I count bigtime you should know it by now niq

The norwegians are always in need of more people though

You're so amusing. No I can't speak Polish.
I can speak Italian anyway. Do you want to
learn Italian, little devil Niquie ? In this
I can be very good, promise ! I'm Italian as
you should know quite well by now, don't you ?
Tanti auguri, tesoro. It means ' many wishes,
darling ', don't worry. No bad words ( in Italian )
please ! Unless you find my calling you darling
offensive ( it's not ! ), too !! You're hopeless
in that case, little angel. Ciao tesoro.
Tanti baci. Many kisses. I'm a good teacher, eh ?
Puss och kram. Oops, that's Swedish. Sorry, Niquie.
Ask the SWEDES ONLY for the translation. It
should mean kisses and hugs, but I don't have
the great luck of being Swedish, I'm just Italian
you know. I give you the right to use those Italian
words anyway. If you want I'm here. Vi ses.

As for my favourite subject Skåne, it's not
a mystery Skåne is usually dimissed by several
Swedes. This is known by the people who are
native of that county. So it's not me the one
who separate Skåne from Sweden or from Danmark.

I can also say that if Skåne had been in any other
country, I wouldn't have changed my opinion
about that wonderful land.

I didn't appreciate the way I was dismissed
myself for daring to talk about Skåne either.
Haven't I got the right to talk about Skåne
just because I'm not Swedish ? So why don't
you ask the moderators to make the whole of
this site ' FOR SWEDES ONLY ' ? One of them
is Niquie. She's around. Ask her.

You should relax anyway. And as a friendly
contribution, feast your eyes on this wonderful
image. Lycka till. Am I allowed to use that
' Lycka till ' ? No ? No problems in that case.
I repeat it. Lycka till och...ha det så jättebra.

As for your eyes....here's the solution !!!

[Mayweed]

Originally posted by wally-the-walrus

I also posted photos of Stockholm, Uppsala and just think Åmål in the Swedish Alphabet for the letter Å. Though that
town was treated very badly by a certain
imperialist usa movie industry. And the great
Lars von Triers did great revenge with Dogville.

Lycka till.

Umm... Uh? When was Åmål treated badly by the 'imperialist usa movie industry'? The only movie I've ever seen where Åmål was involved was 'F*cking Åmål', in the english 'translation' 'Show me love', but that is very much a swedish movie.

// May

It's irrelevant what you say to me. I couldn't
matter less.

Whatever I do, I do it for Skåne. So just
feast your eyes on Skåne and Åmål if you saw
my photo...........

[Mayweed]

Interesting answer to my question.
I guess you are right. You couldn't matter less.

// Tired