Rascism in Sweden ?

[Dima]

Hi!!

Personally I don`t think that racism in Sweden is worse nor more dangeruous than in other countries. I have relatives in other european countries and what I can hear form them they have to be more afraid of racism than here in Sweden.

Just my point of view!!

Dima.

[RenaissanceMan]

After living in Gothenburg for one year (and previously in Umeå for two years), it is my opinion that racism in Sweden is widespread and institutionalized. I am a white-skinned American. When I moved here last year, it was a big surprise to be treated like a middle-class African-American in the USA (in the 1960's). Certain neighborhoods were unrealistic for apartment hunting, bureaucratic treatment was unusually careless, and chances for social integration with ethnic Swedes were low. It is demoralizing to live under these conditions.

I should acknowledge that the situation of poor African-Americans in the USA is worse.

FYI, my Swedish is somewhere between SFI and TISUS (Rikstest) level.

[Abrahamovic]

Well,
I tought live in Sweden is better than live in my country, Indonesia. Indonesia also has a big problem of racism, and I really feel that, because I'm half Javanesse (one of many race in Indonesia) and half chinesse (imigrant).
But from RenaissanceMan I know that it's same in every part of the world that racism has been a polemic problems.
Why did swede think that imigrant is so dangerous?

I like football, and know that in recent years, swedish national team has been filled by some imigrants. from Dahlin to Osmanovski, Selakovic, Ibrahimovic, Tamandi, Ishizaki, Bakircioglu, Touma, and others.

When the racism in Sweden stop forever?

[Nonson]

The fact is there is very little racism in the Western World. That which is reported as racism is a deliberate misrepresentation of an on-going problem. To state it in a few words, generally those who are crying racism are looking for a free meal ticket, and the alleged racism is but a backlash of those people who are tired of supporting a bunch of lazy bums. Harsh? Yes. But also true.

[belgian]

I'll repeat what others said but racism is everywhere and will exist as long as humans will exist on the blue planet. We are simply afraid of someone different of us, it's an ancestral instinct. Don't forget what happened in Rwanda, between black people from similar background and social level. The best way to fight against racism is education and social integration of aliens. The greatest enemy of immigrants are illegal immigrants. If there are too many of them unemployed uneducated in a given country, you will surely have big problems in the future. The goal should be to limit the immigration in order to be able to integrate legal aliens to Swedish or European society. Otherwise racism will also increase as in France or Germany who got too much uncontrolled immigration and are unable to integrate them in their society.

[moonora]

Like someone said, its rasicm everywhere.
There is lots of black racists that hates whites in US, and there is never any excuses for beeing racist. Never

[Menyen]

Didac, please tell me why Moderaterna, or any other party, would do a better job than the Social Democrats?

[Wiegel]

Racism is not new, it is not only at one place. For example, just as everywhere, we do have problems with immigrants.
Once somewhere in my province Friesland there was erected a new right-wing party: the Dutch Nationalistic Party, when you read this title you know enough. They wanted to get out the immigrants (Not a new idea...).
But they were the headline in the TV News, because they had attacked some immigrants and police officers. The correspondent of the TV News asked the Chief of the NNP, the party, if she was a racist. She answered: "No, I am not, I do also eat in a Chinese restaurant". Everybody laughed, and wouldn't get a successful party.
What I want to say is: only pizzerias, Vietnamic restaurants, Chinese restaurants, Cubano music, whatever, is not enough to show you are not racistic.
See the situation in England nowadays. Everybody is there a confrontation between right-wing youngsters, the Asian immigrants (also young) and the police. Everyday. Such things, not at the same level I hope, do also happen in Sweden. In my country we have the same problem. The solution: integration, and not silly integration.
Last some young Marocco people said to me they want the Dutch help them. In their opinion we do nothing. I can understand, but you came, so you have to set the first step.
"We have already done", they answered. I said: "Oh yeah, nobody will believe I you will continue stealing, threathening people in public transport, etc." And then they were angry, because I would not help.
Your problem, could I say. But I did not. The first thing we will do in my city is helping them to show what they can do - in sports, in politics, at school, etc. They do not know. Maybe you, Swedes, can do such things also in your country, because integration is a human right.
But racism is a thing you will never lose.

[Didac]

Originally posted by Menyen
Didac, please tell me why Moderaterna, or any other party, would do a better job than the Social Democrats?

Couldn’t you just read my post again? I think I stated my points there. Basically I believe, and this has been shown in comparing statistics, that Sweden hasn’t done a great job in integrating the immigrants. There are immigrant groups where a majority cant get work. Moreover, the Social Democrats don’t want an increasing immigration of non-refugees, something I think is necessary.

[Menyen]

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Oh, I know the Social Democrats can do things alot better, and that many probably are a racists, but that wasn't what I asked about.

I wanted to know what you think Moderaterna, or some other party, would do, if they were in a position of power, that is better than what the Social Democrats do. What would their approach be? And then I want you to ask yourself the question if they really would to as they say they would. You know what one say: "There are liers, damn liers and politicians" (no exception here, the Social Democrats is included).

Traditionally, Moderaterna (the Right-wing Party, or somesuch, as they were called some ten years ago) has had a conservative approach to immigrant issues. It might just be pure prejudece from my behalf, but I have a hard time accepting that they would have changed that much.

[Didac]

You have some good points there. What politicians say and what they do are different things. Especially politicians in opposition can say whatever they want without risking anything.

I do believe the moderate party has changed quite much for the last 10 years, but who knows if they really wants free immigration out of some liberal idea – or if they just want to demolish the Swedish welfare system.

[Nolvinge]

Well to say there is an absence of racism in Sweden is very naive but a friend of mine who is Swedish once told me that to be a racist to a Swede is the most shameful deed.

I dunno about other Swedes but the 5 that I do know are totally non-racist. In fact, they are very very accepting.

Well that settles it then. As long as there are idiots, there will be racism.

Oh ..did I mention that racism is soo outdated ?

Hej da

[bosse_s]

I think the "everyday racism" in Sweden comes down to that we basically have problems dealing with "foreigners". It is lack of a social skill, more than a deliberate attitude. Harsh? Maybe, but many people are quite scared of others comming "to close", perhaps due to the fact that we´ve been quite well isolated up here until not too long ago.

I think that the "everyday racism" in southern Europe, for example, is more directly towards blacks, arabs, gipsies or someone else, but here in Sweden a more "general" careful attitude towards strangers. That is why (as I´ve said before) I think is so important to take away the "stranger" or "them"-label of the immigrants comming here. Make them learn the language and get a job and things will work just fine. One has to penetrate our (the Swedish) "shield" to be really accepted. Compared to many other European nations, I think that we´ve done a quite good job here though with creating a more multi-cultural society. And generally, it is working just fine (whatever Thundergod and others might say).

Hope none misunderstod this now, I´ve been refering to the racism of common people, not the ignorant a**holes that exist here, and unfortunately in many other places in the world.

[wheete]

Hi I am a Swede living in the USA. Sweden is far less racist than the USA, but thats only natural ofcourse, there are far more immigrants here. How ever racism is rarely discussed in media here. The media in Sweden brings up this subject alot more than here. I have about 80.000 gang members just ready to kill me just because I am white in LA alone. Racism is all over the world in all shapes and forms.

[Rovare]

All the swedish people arnt rasists but many are and the neo nazis arnt that mush as a threat like they are in Germany were they have people gladly going out and torching synagogs. those people that are rasists laugh at people they consider to not be as strong as them self.. but voting for the moderaterna is like lower the taxes on houses and higher the tax rate for the poorer peoples pay check