Palestine

[iman]

I was terribly shocked to read what the Queen of Sweden said to the english broadcast, blaming the Palestinians for
"throwing" deliberetely their kids in order to be killed by Israelis !! She clearly denounced:" This is inhuman from the palestinian side and there is no difference between them and those who are using the kids for prostitution !!!" Obviously, Her Highness ignores that Mohammed AL DURRAH has been killed, dying in his father's arm...while he was going to buy a bicyle...This one was not throwing or carrying any stone ! She ignores at the same time that these kids sneak out from their homes and their schools to defend their occupied land as well as their freedom. Does she really believe that their mothers would empty their children's bag on purpose and fill them with these "dreadful and update weapons" such as stones, telling and ordering them to go on the spot and die ??!! I think the statement she made shows how much Her Majesty considers the Arabs as people with no heart, not even deserving to belong to the human race ! All this, to please, once again, the Israelis ? or is it a total ignorance from her towards History and the Middle East conflict ??

[Merecir]

This is from the biggest newspaper in Sweden, Aftonbladet:

"Det var i förra veckan som drottning Silvia höll ett tal i FN inför Women international forum, FN-diplomaternas fruar.
I en frågestund ställdes en fråga som löd ungefär: “Vad skulle drottningen vilja säga till de mödrar som har barn som kastar sten?”
Drottning Silvia svarade att hon som mor skulle tala med barnen om att det kan vara farligt att kasta sten, att man inte ska göra det och så vidare i allmänna och generella ordalag. Och sedan lade hon till:
"... men ibland verkar det som om att det vore organiserat."
– Med det menade drottningen att barn som utsätts för grupptryck har svårt att säga nej och det är det hon menar med "organiserat", säger Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg."
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Translated:

It was in a speech last week that Queen Silvia hell in UN to the 'Women's International Forum', the UN-diplomats wives.
When people could ask questions one went like this: "What would the Queen like to say to the mothers who have children throwing stones?"
Queen Silvia answered that she as a mother would talk to the children about that it could be dangerous to throw stones, that you shouldn't do it and so on in that manner. And then She added:
"…but sometimes it seems like it is organized."
-By that the Queen meant that children who are being targeted by peer-pressure has a hard time saying no, and that is what the Queen means by "organized", says Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg. (The court spokeswoman)

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Have you heard that she have said anything else than that? Then it is pure propaganda from the Israelis.

I think your statement "Her Majesty considers the Arabs as people with no heart, not even deserving to belong to the human race." Shows that the Israelis are faking minor news and blowing them out of proportion. And that there is some people who are so stupid to believe in them to. (hey, u attacked my queen, I take the freedom to bash back)

Who is pleasing the Israelis "AGAIN"???
Sweden have 'always' been on the Palestinian side (when there is peace (our neutrality u know)).

[a_acharya]

While it would be difficult to deny that whatever is happening in the Middle East is tragic, and that under such trying conditions it is so easy to get taken in by rhetoric and be swept by emotion, one can perhaps also stop a moment to get a hold of oneself and try a conciliation. Getting paranoid about Israelis or the Arabs is the wrong turn.
Palestine should avoid allowing its children from going to war, even though that may make a great media opportunity.
While sympathy, especially in India, is with the Palestinian cause, Mr. Arafat is losing in the battle for trust. He increasingly seems to emerge more like an intransigent figure in an obsessive compulsion to do in Israel.
One cannot talk with a gun pointed at one's head - the Palestinians should realise this as should the Israelis.
Whatever, please do not send children to war, and please do not use them as shields, nor as target practice. That's all.

Originally posted by Merecir
This is from the biggest newspaper in Sweden, Aftonbladet:

"Det var i förra veckan som drottning Silvia höll ett tal i FN inför Women international forum, FN-diplomaternas fruar.
I en frågestund ställdes en fråga som löd ungefär: “Vad skulle drottningen vilja säga till de mödrar som har barn som kastar sten?”
Drottning Silvia svarade att hon som mor skulle tala med barnen om att det kan vara farligt att kasta sten, att man inte ska göra det och så vidare i allmänna och generella ordalag. Och sedan lade hon till:
"... men ibland verkar det som om att det vore organiserat."
– Med det menade drottningen att barn som utsätts för grupptryck har svårt att säga nej och det är det hon menar med "organiserat", säger Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg."
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Translated:

It was in a speech last week that Queen Silvia hell in UN to the 'Women's International Forum', the UN-diplomats wives.
When people could ask questions one went like this: "What would the Queen like to say to the mothers who have children throwing stones?"
Queen Silvia answered that she as a mother would talk to the children about that it could be dangerous to throw stones, that you shouldn't do it and so on in that manner. And then She added:
"…but sometimes it seems like it is organized."
-By that the Queen meant that children who are being targeted by peer-pressure has a hard time saying no, and that is what the Queen means by "organized", says Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg. (The court spokeswoman)

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Have you heard that she have said anything else than that? Then it is pure propaganda from the Israelis.

I think your statement "Her Majesty considers the Arabs as people with no heart, not even deserving to belong to the human race." Shows that the Israelis are faking minor news and blowing them out of proportion. And that there is some people who are so stupid to believe in them to. (hey, u attacked my queen, I take the freedom to bash back)

Who is pleasing the Israelis "AGAIN"???
Sweden have 'always' been on the Palestinian side (when there is peace (our neutrality u know)).

[hawkdove]

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[Marmaduke]

Ecellent, thanks hawkdove. This is exactly what is needed at the moment. It is good to see a site where the dsire for peace and a lasting solution to these problems can transcend people's particular views on the subject

maybe you should all watch a little bit of the 'palestinian broadcasting channel' especially the show that is like mr. rogers- except at the end all the children get up and proclaim they will die for palestine and kill israelis when they get a little older

[Jellah]

Well Friday, funny america is proud of how it is willing to die for its freedom etc. Difference is, we arent at war with a particular nation for 50 yrs. We dont live under occupation or anything like that. But americans are always proud of those "willing" to die for our cause.

Jellah

difference is america would never put children on a barney-like show and encourage/inspire them to hate and kill

[Marmaduke]

do you read this crap UA...cos I am sure no one here does.

[RabbIsrael]

HAHAHA YOU GUYS ARE PRETTY FUNNY. THE FACTS ARE)

What are the chances that ALL the news stations happened to have their cameras in a certain child at the same time. AND the fact that the child was killed is even more propesterouse. Again, the funny part is also the unbelievable act of cowerdice on the father's part. HE USE HIS CHILD AS A HUMAN SHIELD. Another thing, what's funny is that the child was shot from the Palestinain side. Great, eh?

AN EMAIL I RECIEVED:

>> If you are following the events in the Middle East,
>> then you might find this of some interest. It is a
>> copy of a letter sent by an Israeli citizen to Geraldo
>> Rivera, who is a war correspondent for Fox News
>> Channel. Here is the author's introduction along with
>> his letter. Please feel free to pass this along to
>> anyone you think would be interested.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> Recently, the popular "Jewish" media star announced
>> that his view of Palestinian suffering has affected
>> his Zionism and he is now a "Palestinian." My letter
>> to him follows.
>>
>> To: Geraldo Rivera
>>
>> Sir, I have no interest in you as a "celebrity", so
>> please understand that this is just a letter from one
>> person to another. I am writing to you out of simple
>> courtesy to inform you of how you have embarrassed
>> yourself as a human being and as a journalist. A
>> human being is obligated by Divine Order (you may call
>> it morality) to do justice and a journalist to report
>> the truth.
>>
>> You have commented with great sincerity on the
>> Israeli/Arab conflict, but your understanding is based
>> on the information you received from other members of
>> the media whose understanding is as shallow as yours.
>>
>> Surely you know that in competing for fair reporting
>> Israel is at a distinct disadvantage. You can report
>> anything you want about Israel even from Israel. You
>> will be perfectly safe and welcome and your
>> credentials will not be in danger. On the other hand,
>> should you be critical of the Palestinian Arabs or
>> any Arab country for that matter you will have future
>> problems in dealing with them.
>>
>> Should you report something that is very damaging to
>> Arafat or to anything the Arabs consider important you
>> will never be able to work in the PA area again and
>> the future of your employer in that area will be in
>> jeopardy.
>>
>> Should you expose something vital to Arab interest
>> your life will be in jeopardy.
>>
>> Should you tell the truth about Islam they might issue
>> a fatwa and perhaps even the lives of your dear ones
>> will be in jeopardy. Ask Salmon Rushdie.
>>
>> Do you remember the Arab lynching of two Israelis in
>> Ramallah and how the mob butchered them after they
>> were thrown out of the window? If you do not I will
>> understand it as it didn't get too much play in the
>> media after the first two days. If you did see the
>> footage, you might know that what you saw was taken by
>> an Italian Journalist. He was the only one to release
>> a tape of the incident. If you saw the entire tape
>> taken by the Italian, you would have seen glimpses of
>> a CNN and an ABC and other major media photographers.
>> The Italian can't come back to the PA areas, not just
>> because his credentials have been revoked, but because
>> he knows that they will kill him.
>> In fact, if you check carefully you will find that he
>> no longer works for his former employer and they can't
>> tell you where to find him. I guess the other
>> journalists were just smarter than he was, (not more
>> honest though).
>>
>> On the other hand, remember the little boy under his
>> father's arm, cowering behind a barrel as he was shown
>> caught between a crossfire. Of course you remember
>> that one. It was shown over and over, ad nauseam. I
>> will never forget it. It made some people like you
>> say, "Today, I too am a Palestinian". You assumed
> > that Israeli soldiers shot him. Since you are not an
>> overt anti-Semite you probably assumed it was
>> inadvertent. The truth is that there is very little
>> chance that he could have been killed by Israelis, but
>> that isn't important is it? In fact when the German
>> network ARD broke the story last week that independent
>> experts concluded that there was a far greater
>> possibility that he was shot from the Arab side, the
>> story got very little play in American media. Of
>> course, it is only a story when Israelis shoot
>> civilians.
>>
>> You know what my first thought was when I saw the
>> tape? "What was this guy doing with a child in such a
>> situation?" It is obvious that this was not a
>> spontaneous flare-up. The Israeli soldiers were in
>> position and the Arabs had notified the media so they
>> were in position, (I assume you know that in the PA
>> areas Journalists don't just move around freely),
>> before the shooting started. Why would he take his
>> child into such a dangerous place? What do you know
>> about these people you call Palestinians and relate to
>> so well?
>>
>> Have you lived with them or worked with them as I
>> have? Did you ever wonder why they are the first
>> significant group since the Nazis to glorify killing
>> of Jews just because they are Jews? Perhaps you
>> assumed it was the Jews' fault for the many years that
>> the Jews have oppressed them. It would be easy for
>> you in your shallowness to reach that politically
>> correct conclusion because you don't know that Arabs
>> have been massacring Jews for hundreds of years, even
>> before the 54 year old modern State and even in Arab
>> countries where Jews were harmless minorities.
>>
>> Surely you do not know that Arab Islam is a virulently
>> racist religion. I understand that because you have
>> never studied Islam, but why associate with something
>> you know nothing about? I guess you know that the
>> overt practice of Christianity and Judaism is a crime
>> in the "moderate" countries of Saudi Arabia and
>> Jordan. You may even know that it is against the law
>> for a non-Muslim to even enter the holy cities of
>> Mecca and Medina.
>>
>> Did you know that the crime of selling land to a
>> Christian or a Jew in these countries as well as the
>> PA is punishable by death and it has in fact been
>> implemented many times in recent years? I bet you
>> thought that the Nazis were unique in the application
>> of their racist Nuremburg laws. They may have been
>> the best at implementation, but they got them from the
>> Muslim Dhimmi laws. These laws of strict Islam were
>> imposed in numerous Arab lands long before Hitler was
>> born. They prohibit "Dhimmis" (infidels meaning
>> Christians and Jews) from living outside of the
>> cities, from practicing a profession and from
>> appearing in court against a Muslim. They also
>> require that they wear definitive garb, e.g. a yellow
>> armband. Surely this sounds familiar even to one
>> devoid of historical understanding.
>>
>> This past Thursday afternoon a suicide bomber killed 3
>> people and maimed or injured 75 more, including
>> children and infants. They were not in a shooting
>> field. They were where they were supposed to be,
>> doing what they were supposed to be doing. The bomb
>> was prepared by professionals (the bomber wasn't) and
>> loaded with large nails and rat poison to maximize the
>> damage. The interesting thing about this is that one
>> half hour before the bomb went off, a tape of the
>> bomber was shown on Palestinian TV. His tearful
>> mother was shown thanking him for bringing such glory
>> to their family. He looked proud and truly content.
>> She, of course, failed to thank him for the $25,000 (a
>> veritable fortune in the PA area) that the families of
>> all suicide bombers get through the auspices of the
>> PA. It isn't really PA money though. It is just
>> funneled through the PA. The cash comes from the
>> European Union and other donors to the Palestinian
>> cause, who like you, sympathize with the plight of the
>> Palestinian families like this one.
>>
>> While you are thinking about the European friends of
> > the Palestinians (you remember them, many of them were
>> very busy 60 years ago cooperating with the effort to
>> solve you know which problem), you should know that
>> they also contribute to the good growth and
>> development of these heroic bombers by providing the
>> classrooms and texts that guide the young boy into the
>> great hero (read, murderer of innocent women and
>> children) that he might become. Anti-Semitism in
>> history books is not new, but I have seen math and
>> reading books in Arabic that are full of Jew hatred,
>> all paid for by UN and European agencies.
>>
>> I could tell you more, but I doubt that you are
>> capable of, or interested in, absorbing even this much
>> about your newly adopted brethren. Therefore, I will
>> leave you with the words of the late Prime Minister of
>> Israel, Golda Meir: "We can make peace with the Arabs
>> only when they learn to love their children more than
>> they hate us."
>>
>> Dear good journalist, you are welcome to challenge me
>> on any of this, but I know that you will never publish
>> the truth. It simply just doesn't make for "good"
>> journalism.
>>
>>
>> Alex Pilarski
>>


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AND FINALLY, a great website: http://www.sweden.com/forums/showthr...?threadid=3881

[Marmaduke]

Once again we get the repetative matra trawled out yet again that Israel is the only trustworthy source of news and the rest of the world's media have somehow undergone a collective lobotomy and have become nothing more than deluded peddlers of Arab propoganda.

You can believe this if you want, frankly it was a tedious excuse then and it has not improved with its constant repetition.

[rollo]

Hey Jasper,

Are you bloody thick? Whose a flunky to whose propaganda now then?

I guess you don't realize that your lovely Palestinians are strapping bombs to themselves and entering cafes, discos, buses, schools, etc. and blowing themselves up in order to kill as many innocent people as possible! These people are cold-blooded murderers!

If people were entering your lovely Sweden and doing the same, how would you react. I think that Israel has been quite restrained. They could take care of the situation in a day if they chose to do it. The Israeli government has the right and the DUTY to defend its citizens the way that any other country would do. Why do you make them an exception?

Bloody cretin!

rollo,
you could at least make a valid argument before going around calling people "cretins" ..

how about: what creates a "mass-murderer" for starters hmm ??

[rollo]

Paka,

I'm not sure how to respond to your blog, because it is a complete non-sequitur!! What does it bloody have to do with anything??

I don't know exactly what creates a mass-murderer, but I do know what to do with him when he starts killing! And I do know that anyone has the right to do what is necessary to protect his family against a mass-murderer. Israel must be allowed to protect its own citizens against suicide bombers! That is just common sense.

And I thought that Jasper was thick, but Paka is the retrograde version of Jasper! LOL!

Jasp,
i think thule said it best in re: to night_flight the other time

rollo,
take it easy fella