If you were the prime minister of Turkey

[Merecir]

Denmark have the highest taxes in the world.

[belgian]

Here is Denmark medical coverage system in 1999, source Danish government website http://www.ssa.gov/statistics/ssptw/...sh/denmark.htm

Workers' Medical Benefits
Medical benefits: Free service benefits with restricted choice of doctor, or patient pays part of expenses with free choice of doctor.
Includes general practitioner care, specialist care, treatment by psychologists under special circumstances (70% of expenses), hospitalization in public hospital, 50% to 75% of cost of most prescribed drugs, maternity care by midwife or doctor, home nursing, chiropractic (30 percent of expenses), physiotherapy, limited dental care (40% of most expenses) and transportation (pensioners only).

Here is a document from EU net entitled Medical treatment: Access to specialists:

Belgium: Free choice.
Denmark: Category 1: The generalist refers each particular case to the specialist.
Category 2: Free choice.
Germany: Free choice among contracted sickness insurance fund doctors.
Spain: Access to all specialists of the Public Health Services (Servicios Públicos de Salud).
France: Free access to specialist.
Iceland: Free access.
Liechenstein: Free access to specialists.
Luxembourg: No restriction for seeing a specialist.
Portugal: Free choice of general practitioner/ specialist working either in health centres or under agreement.

I would love to be a doctor in Sweden as I would feel as a God but certainly not a patient.
Recently in an International medical meeting a Swedish doctor presented a new method of receiving patients enabling doctors not to see the patients often. Even the most pragmatic doctors in Europe Germans were surprised and asked him the question:
"If you don't want to see patients why did you become a doctor?"

[fleming]

Merecir,

Not Denmark, but Belgium has the highest taxes in the world (unfortunately so).

[Marmaduke]

Originally posted by belgian
Andrew,
Sorry for my late reply but I was really busy with Academic work. As you mentioned earlier, I am disappointed by this discussion site concerning discussions on international events or human rights. No misunderstanding I’m not blaming anyone but I think that we are not at the good place for serious discussions. If you don’t add anything related to Abba sexuality or USA to your text, you have little chance to get any sound reflection on your topic.

Don't stop posting these discussions !

It has been interesting to follow this thread and it is good that you have been able to write about these matters here without some of the verbal insults you might get on other sites (try ukraine.com for some examples). I read your thread last night and found it very intersting and hope you will continue to write about such things. You and Andrew obviously have a deep understanding of the issues raised, so please don't feel that others are not interested- I am sure many people are and it is refreshing and enlightening to see that these issues do still concern some people. Keep it up

[belgian]

I shouldn't write that sad comment about sweden.com. I was exhausted and depressed that night because of a patient of mine who had serious problems. This is not an excuse to blame the readers of this site; I beg your pardon about this. You are wonderful people to write in sweden.com I send a message about rumors on human rights violations to Saamis(see human rights in Sweden) and instead of critics, people agreed that these guys suffered and they should get their rights now. I’m very happy to see that.
If you are courageous enough to open your hearts to others and try to understand them they will no more be your enemies. During Nato's Kosova bombardings I was shocked by civilian collateral damage when a train was hit by bombers. I wrote a long message, as I usually do, sorry again for your time, to a Serbian website hostile to European Union and Nato. I explained them that I had tears in my eyes seeing Serbian civilian or soldiers killed by fighters. At the same time it was unbearable for me to see the sufferings of Muslim population victim of war crimes by Serbian army. I asked them to help to stop this violence that made people suffer during last 5 centuries. I know what I’m talking about as my grandparents were from Bosnia. In the 14th century, the Ottoman Turks embarked in Bosnia upon their conquest of the Balkans. My ancestors as many Bosnians dropped their allegiance to the weak and disorganized Christian churches and adopted the triumphant faith of the Islamic conquerors. The spread of Islam was aided by itinerant Muslim popular preachers, who taught a fairly broad-minded and inclusive form of Islam that allowed Bosnians to adapt their old traditions to the new faith. Many Muslim Bosnians rose to join the ranks of the Ottoman ruling elite as soldiers, statesmen, Islamic jurists and scholars; not a few attained the highest posts in the Empire while the non-Muslims were subject to higher tax-rates and most civil and military offices of the Empire were reserved for Muslims. Kosovo was the seat of a Serbian kingdom in the Middle Ages and the site of the famous battle, fought in 1389, that ended medieval Serbia's independence and began its centuries of subjection to the Islamic Ottoman Empire. In the romantic imagery of Serbian nationalism, Kosovo represents both Serbia's past greatness and its humiliation at the hands of Muslims.

To my surprise the members of editorial board of this Yugoslavian site appreciated my letter. The editor told me that many people shared my opinion in Yugoslavia but ordinary Serbs should learn to think more rationally and humanely about Kosovo, and more critically about some of their national myths. They wrote to me that they transmitted my message to the authorities in Belgrade and asked my permission to put it on their website. I agreed but I was worried for the Russian scientists collaborating with our University and funded by European commission could encounter while leaving Russia. My letter remained on this website for several months with a funny nickname.

Moderately wise
a man should be
not too crafty or clever.
A learned man's heart
whose learning is deep
seldom sings with joy.

- The Havamal

[Marmaduke]

No appologies are needed ! You do credit to this board to write of such things and can only hope you will continue to do so. I for one, intend to spend more time reading these posting, although I feel that I may have little to add to what you are writing as my understanding is very limited. I can assure you though, that I shall be making a much better effort to understand and learn of these issues even if at best all I can offer by way of comment is a generalised 'over view' from my own particular perspective.
Thanks for waking me up

[belgian]

Yes Jasperthecat, you really can help others by thinking about their problems with your precious point of view talk with your friends and propose solutions. That's what I do. The point is to have the intention to understand and help. No one has a definite and easy solution for these age old problems.
Let me try to explain why you don’t understand what’s happening in the Middle East or Balkans states and feel them and their mentality light years away of yours. In fact the great King Gustav Vasa adopted the Lutherian reforms and halted the excessive power of Roman Church(emancipation from the supranational Catholic Church) as early as 16th century in Sweden. He became very competent in using the rivalry between factions and individuals to the advantage of the Crown. The Church was stripped of its riches and the debts to Hanseatic towns and merchants could be paid. By the surplus from the confiscations of large lands gave the Crown an outstanding strength compared to the noble landowners. The bishops' military power ceased. Before this clergy and nobility owned approximately one sixth each of the tilled land in the realm, concentrated in Svealand & Götaland where they owned far more than the half. Few years later, 1530, the king started ordaining bishops and archbishops. The words Ständer (Estates - 1544) and Riksdag ("realm's meeting" - 1561) were introduced instead of the older Herredag ("meeting of the lords").
Unfortunately the Muslim world had been unable to begin such reforms. You and your grand grand parents always lived in a democratic secular state. This seems as natural to you as the rising of the Sun each morning by the east. The Swedish parliament is among the oldest in Europe and you have a long tradition of democracy enabling Riksdag to hold the world record on woman participation. How can we export the Swedish system to other countries in order to create secular democratic states? This seems the best way to achieve peace worldwide. In my opinion the greatest lesson of September 11 attacks is to recognize that we can no more isolate ourselves from the problems of the world. Your efforts will be rewarded as a safer world around us. The world is very changing very quickly and we desperately need new values and new ways of thinking and judging what’s happening around us. Why are there so many new sects around us? The lack of values providing sound answers to fundamental questions of 21st century has aggravated the identity crisis even in developed countries. One day we should begin our search to find answers, I’ll be again too long if I begin with this topic.
We should not ignore the history if we want to understand why people are fighting around us. In modern history the Balkans and Arab region were a part of the Ottoman Empire for more than four centuries. The Ottomans were succeeded by the French and the British colonial powers, under whose hegemony the geo-political borders of most of the countries in Middle East, were drawn. The origins of the subsequent conflicts in these regions are to be found in this history. Unfortunately the history of 19th century is deliberately ignored in western world. How can we build a solid future over unhealed and ignored wounds of our past? The best example is the war of Bosnia. No westerners could understand why those people were fighting. A French television reporter interviewed a Serbian leader in Bosnia:
“Why are you hating Muslim Bosnians?
We are not dealing with Muslim Bosnians here, we are fighting against Turks.
Wait a minute they are not Turkish. The people you are killing are from the same ethnical origin as Serbians. You belong to the same race, you are all Slavs.
You are right but this only worsens their case. They collaborated with the Turks during the long occupation period and treated Orthodox Serbians as vandal’s slaves. They betrayed their religion and other Slavs. In our eyes they will always remain Turks. We will fight against them and move them out of our country.”
This guy was honest and told what his companions felt. This may sound senseless to you but very important for these people who grew up with stories of Turkish massacres and torture on their ancestors. One day it was obvious that they would ask for revenge. In my opinion, it’s important to analyze circumstances in which the tragic events took place and enable both sides of the conflict to express their opinion to heal the old wounds and prevent them to start over again. We should break the vicious circle of ancestral hate. Love and understanding seems to be the clue to find a solution. If we want to love others we should also have the courage to put ourselves in their shoes. I love those people, Serbians Bosnians or Croats equally. But I don’t want any of them attack the others to take revenge in form of additional land. Collaboration among communities can provide them with democracy, welfare and human development, as it was the case in Western Europe.

Instead of supporting the fractions that promise faith to occidental values, I believe we should now support the creation of secular democratic states in third world countries to ensure stability. Let us not forget that US supported the Talibans against the government of Massoud 8 years ago. Who can guarantee now that the Northern coalition will not turn against western values in a few years and adopt a radical position?
What can we do now to help creation of democratic states? The participation of woman in political life may be the first step for the establishment of democracy. The Universal Declaration on Democracy states that the achievement of democracy presupposes a genuine partnership between men and women in the conduct if the affairs of society in which they work in equality and complementarily, drawing mutual enrichment from their differences." involving women and men in decision-making processes is a sine qua non of any democratic framework Excluding women from positions of power and from elected bodies impoverishes the development of democratic principles in public life and inhibits the economic development of a society. Men dominate the political arena; men formulate the rules of the political game; and men define the standards for evaluation. The existence of this male-dominated model results in either women rejecting politics altogether or rejecting male-style politics. To conceptualize issues and develop policies which will affect, directly or indirectly, citizens' lives without taking into account the situations, perspectives and realities of all those who will be affected is no longer credible in today's world. Over 95 per cent of all countries in the world have granted women the two most fundamental democratic rights: the right to vote and the right to stand for elections. There are still a few countries that deny women both the right to vote and the right to stand for elections (Kuwait, United Arab Emirates).1 In theory, the right to stand for elections, to become a candidate, and to get elected, is based on the right to vote. The reality is that women's right to vote remains restricted: principally because the only candidates to vote for are male.
This is true not only for partial and developing democracies, but for established democracies as well. The low level of women's representation in some European parliaments 2 should be considered a violation of women's fundamental democratic right and, as such, of their basic human rights. This unequal rate of representation in legislative bodies signifies that women's representation, rather than being a function of democratization, is more a function of preserving the status quo.
The male-dominated working pattern is further reflected in the parliamentary work schedule, which is often characterized by lack of supportive structures for working mothers in general, and for women MPs in particular. Women are overstretched and overworked since in addition to their party and constituency work, they have to serve on various committees, network with women within their parties, at multi-party levels and with women outside parliament. Furthermore, they have to play the role of mother, wife, sister and grandmother. Presently, the parliamentary programme and sitting times are not adjusted to take into consideration this dual burden that women carry. Many women MPs struggle to balance family life with the demands of work that often involve late hours, travel and few facilities.
Here are some interesting statements of woman speakers in various parliaments. We should help them.

"The most interesting aspect of the Swedish Parliament is not that we have 45 per cent representation of women, but that a majority of women and men bring relevant social experience to the business of parliament. This is what makes the difference. Men bring with them experience of real life issues, of raising children, of running a home. They have broad perspectives and greater understanding. And women are allowed to be what we are, and to act according to our own unique personality. Neither men nor women have to conform to a traditional role. Women do not have to behave like men to have power; men do not have to behave like women to be allowed to care for their children. When this pattern becomes the norm then we will see real change."
Birgitta Dahl, Speaker of Parliament, Sweden
"It’s very difficult for women to talk, to argue, to press for their concerns. How can we encourage women to talk and to express themselves? Maybe the woman in the hut has a lot to say, but we have to encourage her to talk – not about politics, but about her problems, her life, issues that concern her. The answer is education. Education has led many women in my society to join political parties or participate in political activities. Education is the most important channel for encouraging women to speak out."
Rawya Shawa, MP Palestine
"As women parliamentarians, we need to share our experiences. This in itself will inspire women. We will not feel that we are alone in this game, and other women will not feel isolated from the process. At every opportunity, at every forum, each and every time we must share information, ideas, knowledge. We must make sure that women are the most informed people within society."
Margaret Dongo, MP Zimbabwe

"One cannot deal with the problem of female representation by a quota system alone. Political parties, the educational system, NGOs, trade unions, churches all must take responsibility within their own organizations to systematically promote women's participation, from the bottom up. This will take time. It will not happen overnight, or in one year or five years; it will take one or two generations to realize significant change.
This is what we are working on in Sweden. We did not start with a quota system. First we laid the groundwork to facilitate women's entry into politics. We prepared the women to ensure they were competent to enter the field; and we prepared the system, which made it a little less shameful for men to step aside. Then we used quotas as an instrument in segments and institutions where we needed a breakthrough."
--- Birgitta Dahl, Speaker of Parliament, Sweden
We have tried reserved parliamentary seats for village panchayats, and from my experience, this is a very effective measure. We have reserved 33 per cent of the seats in panchayats for women. Before this policy, we did not have women prepared for leadership positions; but as a result of the policy, political parties have to search for women. We got a mixed response. Some men did not want women to come forward, so they put forward their wives, sisters-in-law and mothers. But talented, educated women also came forward. Now the old argument that there are no able women to become candidates for legislative assemblies no longer holds. Because now the women serving as mayors and as chairmen of the municipal committees will be groomed as prospective candidates for parliament. More and more women have been elected to panchayats -- and this is a valuable pool of women for legislative assemblies. Thus the reservation of seats is a very effective measure, especially in countries such as India where there is such meager representation of women in parliament. In India, only 6.5 per cent of parliamentarians, 39 members of a house of 543, are women. A bill for reservation of seats for women in parliament is also pending; discussions are ongoing. It has not yet passed, but I think it will see the light of day.
--- Sushma Swaraj, MP India
"Women have tried to enter politics trying to look like men. This will not work. We have to bring our differences, our emotions, our way of seeing things, even our tears to the process."
Anna Tibaijuka, Professor, Tanzania


My reply has been too long again. I’m sorry to take so much of your time, I’m probably among the greatest enemies of blank paper or blank word files in the virtual world.

[Marmaduke]

"The only responsible philosopy that can be practiced in the face of despair, is to contemplate all things as they would present themselves from the standpoint of redemption. Knowledge has no light but the shed on the world by redemption: all else is construction, mere technique."
Theodore Adorno- Minima Moralia

"A piece of every bomb leaps back into the six days of creation"
Elias Canetti- The Human Province

Belgium, thanks for the post- I am going to have to print this off and read it in more detail, on screen in not the best of environments as you can probably appreciate. I should point out that I am not Swedish but English, although it is rather academic as many problems are duplicated around the world and only the name of the character's changes- most often, the motives remain frighteningly similar (for example in the UK over Northern Ireland or our colonial past in Africa and other countries).

I agree with you that historical perspectives are the best way of understanding a country's or a peoples' actions, but that it cannot be used to justify or continue them. You obviously have a fine understanding of history and this is an area I have largely ignored in my own education. My personal interests have been for more contemporary events- and my interest was further motivated by the terrible events of 9/11. This has become an increasingly involved task given that it encompasses so many different areas: economics, history, media, philosophy, business interests etc etc. My own interests (which from the above quotes, stems from a life long interest in the Frankfurt School philosophers and those that have followed them- without trying to get caught in the fine web of differing philosophical schools) stem from a desire to understand the background to current events and of the society that has given rise to them. I have written elsewhere that it is to people such as Noam Chomsky and Susan Sontag, that I feel myself drawn (as well as writers such as George Monbiot and others). Much of this coincides with the recent anti-globalisation movements that I see as attempting to deconstruct the economic prosperity of us in the West, and the economic foundation of our own contemporary consciousness.
You own analysis seems much more rooted in history ( reminding me of Walter Benjamin's Angelus Novus blown into the future while looking backwards at the destruction of the past). I am made aware of my own ignorance of history (that is anything before last century) and so your writing is stimulating, but I will have to concentrate on what is written here in more detail.

As for what you write about the representation on women in contemporary politics, it is particularly apposite in the UK- when our present government came to power, there was a much stronger representation of female MPs than in the past- yet now, due to many circumstances- but mainly because of the male dominance of power, has diminshed significantly once more.

I look forward to you next postings and hope to be able to add to my understanding of history and of how this has lead us to where we are now.
Regards
Jasper

[belgian]

Accustom your children constantly to this; if a thing happened at one window, and they, when relating it, say that it happened at another, do not let it pass, but instantly check them; you do not know where deviation from truth will end.
—Boswell’s Life of Johnson

There are no facts, only interpretations.
—Friedrich Nietzsche


Thank you for your nice comments Jasperthecat. I'm only a curious person who loves history but I don't have any knowledge at academic level. I'm a busy medical doctor not a historian or writer but I wished to be one. I only wrote some letters to websites and to politicians such as the regretted President of France F Mitterand who kindly answered me. He claimed that he was unable to do anything in Bosnia to stop the war without the support and agreement of USA.
If you want to read my comments on September 11 tragedy please visit to see my post entitled Child killers, hijackers, cheap oil, Riksgad, lagom in Sweden.com at
http://www.sweden.com/forums/showthr...?threadid=2611
Unfortunately, it's very long as my messages usually are. Probably no one could read it until the end as I haven't got any reply yet.
I can suggest you a nice book if you want to learn more about the history of Balkan states with some comments on the book by amazon.com:

Kosovo : A Short History
by Noel Malcolm

Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
Kosovo, a 55-mile-long plateau in southern Serbia bordering Albania and Macedonia, should by all rights be a historical and political backwater. A Bulgarian geographer who visited Kosovo during World War I remarked that it was "almost as unknown and inaccessible as a stretch of land in Central Africa." The observation would prove ironically fitting by the '90s, as Central Africa and Kosovo both became sites of widespread genocide, fueled by ethnic hatreds, of the deepest international significance. Noel Malcolm, a British historian and journalist who has written extensively about the Balkans (including a companion volume of sorts on Bosnia), provides an overview of Kosovo's long-standing cultural divisions in his "short history" (although, at more than 500 pages, a not so short book).
Readers following the unfolding war in Kosovo through newspaper and television coverage may well ask why ethnic Albanians and Serbs are struggling so violently to command the small region. Kosovo, Malcolm explains, is the birthplace of Serbian nationalism; the defeat of Serbian forces there in 1389 by Turkish troops became emblematic of the fall of the Serbian empire, as it led to Turkish domination of the Balkans. Contemporary warriors of Serbia are, in Malcolm's eyes, evidently attempting to reverse the course of history by reclaiming the land from its Turkish conquerors--but in the absence of the Turks, they'll take it from the Albanians (the largest ethnic group among Kosovo's inhabitants) whose ancestors converted to Islam when the Turks ruled the region. Malcolm's lucid text shows again and again that the ethnic conflict in Kosovo is less a battle over bloodlines and religion than it is one over differing conceptions of national origins and history.

The New York Times Book Review, Anna Husarska
Any book dealing with the history of Kosovo must devote considerable space to deconstructing myths. If Malcolm spends more time demystifiying the Serb myths, this is simply because theirs are the more inflated.

[belgian]

Fleming,
can you spare some minutes of your time and take a look at this exemple of "email bombardings" as you so nicely described, from a Greek friend of Cyprus? Apparently this attitude seems to be related to the region where you come from rather than to ethnicity.

http://www.russia.com/forums/showthr...?threadid=7040

Originally posted by bosse_s
Well, if Turkey claims to be a democracy then the first thing would be to give the kurds equal rights, I guess? To get rid of the death penalty would be the second, I guess?

Now the death penalty is quashed and also there is greater freedom for the Kurdish speaking Turkish people. Law was just recently passed

[Banned]

What should I expect, from Tokapi, you Turks are not ones to let the truth or the spilled blood of Kurds to get into your way when covering up for Turkey's crimes in your never ending quest to pretend to be Europeans and get into the EU.

Kurdmedia recently published an excellent article about the gap between what Turkey says and what the government does.

http://www.kurdmedia.com/reports.asp?id=1060

[Some choice excerpts:]

"Well interestingly enough, one of the most important requirements of the EU for membership is the role of the military in politics in candidate countries. Turkey has not even discussed this issue let alone bringing any changes. Let us just have a look at an amusing example before we go further." ...

"Gunter Verheugen, the European Union Commissioner for Enlargement said that no accession date for Turkey could be given and added ’’the approval of reform package in Turkey is an important step taken toward membership. We should not forget Turkey is a candidate country. We want to see the implementation of the reforms."[8]

This caused havoc. Here, Turkey had "taken all the necessary steps" and still you have the "hypocrite Christian Europeans" finding excuses for not letting "Muslim Turkey" in to the "rich man’s club". Several columnists and ministers heavily criticised Verheugen".[9]

Despite the fact that Verheugen stated the obvious, that newly passed reform package should be implemented in reality and not just stay on the paper, he was heavily criticised for his “hypocrisy”." ...

"Human Rights violations since the passing of the reforms"...

"12th August:

The Human Rights Association of Turkey released a statement titled “Executives of Istanbul Branch of Human Rights Association have been taken under custody today”. It was stated that, “Ilkay Tasdemir was reported death by the Gayrettepe (Istanbul) Security Department officials on 6 August 2002. It was alleged that Tasdemir threw himself out from the 5th floor of the Security Department while he was handcuffed. Human rights defenders found his death suspicious. They wanted to ask few questions. The question was as follows. "What happened to Ilkay Tasdemir?" The response given by the police to human rights defenders was to take them under custody. We call on authorities to release human rights defenders immediately.”[21]

13th August:

In her column in the Turkish daily Milliyet, Derya Sazak reported that Kurdish students were being detained by security forces in Batman for distributing flowers to people as a celebration of the passing of the reform package.[22]

Medya News Agency reported that a delegation of Swedish MPs from the Green Party was not allowed to cross the border in to South Kurdistan (Northern Iraq) for “security reasons”. The planned visit to the south was prevented despite the fact that the delegation had official permission.[23]

The Human Rights Association, Ankara Branch Prison Commission released its July report. The report emphasised the increase in the oppression of prisoners in prisons in the Central Anatolia region.[24]

15th August:

Salih Acar, who wanted to call his newly born son “Rojhat”, took the Van Population Registry Office to court for rejecting the name ’Rojhat’ for not being Turkish.[25]

16th August:

Sultan Ogras, a member of HADEP women’s branch, received 3 years 9 months prison sentence by No: 2 Diyarbakir National Security Court (DGM) for having attended the program “Dara Jiyane” (Tree of Life) on the Kurdish satellite channel Medya TV. She was released after the court considered the period she had been under arrest.[26]

17th August:

Abdullah Ergunsah, a member of the Education Union, was banished to Zonguldak on the grounds that he had given a speech on education in mother tongue.[27]" ...

"23rd September:

Hurriyet reported that during the first 8 months of 2002, 10 books were confiscated and authors and publishers prosecuted. During the January–August period 10 different books were confiscated across Turkey, 3 books for being “obscene”, 3 for “propagating separatism” and 4 books for other reasons.[59]

As the above examples prove, the everyday life of Kurds, especially in the Kurdish areas in Turkey, and those who politically do not fit into the ideological frame in Turkey, has not changed and oppression and violation of human rights continue in a systematic manner. Obviously one cannot expect an authoritarian State to change within months, especially if this authoritarian State tradition goes back at least several centuries. The problem is that the real rulers of Turkey, the military and other influential groups do not want to see a democratic Turkey, simply because it is not in their interest. A democratic Turkey with an open and civil society would not accept things as they are. Another problem is the legislation. The reforms are not enough because those who are supposed to implement them are against democratic change. Many of the judges in National Security Courts and in other judicial institutions are handpicked die-hard Kemalists and Turkish nationalists. But even if they were democrats they have to obey the law and the legislation itself is undemocratic on all levels. Thus not only are the laws undemocratic, so are the people who implement and interpret them. As long as the 1982 Constitution, which was drafted after the coup d’etat, does not see a complete change, not many reform packages will have an effect in reality."


[I left alot of violations out, see the original article for more.]

Banned

Before you start to critise me let me point a few facts and the most important one is that I may be a turk and that I am very proud of it.

The other thing is since you don't personaly know anything about me you can not critise me.

There are many facts about myself that I would not tell you or anyone else but I will leave it to your imagination and let you belive that you think you know me.

As for all the other stuff you right I will just say no comment before I loose my patience etc.

[Grafix]

banned=stelios=a greek propagandist. I have already exposed this loser for what he is in the politics section. He claims he is an ethnic Kurd but the fact of the matter is that he knows nothing, and his ramblings simply consist of hate rhetoric...

Banned is not to be taken seriously, his credibility has already been demolished. I don't even know how je has the face to still post his BS around here.

how do you know he is a greek propogandist?