If you were the prime minister of Turkey

[Grafix]

I will re-post what I had posted over a month ago. In the meantime Banned's signature has changed-coincedentally...And I cannot believe you didn't read that post of mine-considering we were in the middle of a heated debate. Or are you being selective with your memory?

here is what I had posted:



Friday I have never attacked this character by the name of banned.
I have always maintained my composure-as I am currently maintaining with you or anyone else I might disagree with.

In anycase, i believe it is time to disclose Banned's true identity..


Banned claims he is a Kurd...When writing to Ahmz about bernard Lewis he states: " Maybe you can trust scholars that are for sale to the Turkish government, but it is hard for a Kurd to do this."
(Source: http://www.sweden.com/forums/showthr...&pagenumber=2)

Now the funny thing is the email banned uses in his signature when posting on T.com.

He asks people to mail him at: Commienst@hotmail.com"..

But-here's where it gets tricky!

The login 'Commienst' belongs to a Greek person by the name of Stelios on another forum (network54)... This stelios character always posts hateful messages which could be described as ignorant, and racist in terms of content.
(take a look at his post on another forum: http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/...eid=1029590148 ) Please notice that the login on the link posted, in which he has used the nick 'stelios', is as Commienst

I recall Stelios being banned from Turkey.com due to his hatefull posts (which include statements such as: all Turks should be killed etc.)

Now my question is: why would a person-especially a Greek-come back under disguise, claim to be a Kurd, and speak about the so-called oppression of Kurds in Turkey?

Because Stelios (or banned) apparently is a propagandist, and his/her sole purpose is to dispatch as much negative information about Turkey as possible, even if it is false...


In anycase I rest my case..

Banned is no longer credible, everything he posts is for propaganda purposes...

this is still only what you think you know, and not 100% proof

Just what other possible proof could you or would you need?

substantial proof, you know, stuff that can be proven

[Grafix]

this IS proof
Just follow the linke and it shall all be revealed.

In the cyber world-finding the tracks of a person is not easy.
I believe I have revealed the digital origin (undeniably) of this person and exposed his purpose for existance in cyberspace.

If he uses the same email, the same IP number etc. in all accounts-how is that not proof? If this person writes as a greek (stelios) on one board, and then attempts to portray himself as a Kurd on another-how is that not proof? Are you blind?

Give me a break friday. A person so ready to accept the words of a propagandist as if they are the word of god (or the ten commandments) is not so open minded whan it comes to questioning the digital existance of the same propagandist..

hmm I see...Quite interesting indeed.
prejudice anyone?...

yet you take bernard lewis as the word of 'god'...

how did you find his/her ip#? banned left no email in his/her tag... and just becuase someone has the same login/username on another forum does not mean its the same person... your "proof" is not 100%, and could be 100% coincidental, therefore---> not good enough(and i'm 100% sure you've heard that many a time)

[Banned]

I only pretended to be a Kurd for one reason and one reason only! I was banned! So I registered with the Banned name and pretended to be a Kurd to fool the Turks. It was not hard. If not for that one slip up they would have never found out. I am no propagandist, only reason for the deception was due to their banning me. I

Why else did I have a name such as banned you moron!

Anyway you are the propagandist, a Turk one. Nice Turkish name "Grafix". It seems you are pretending to be non-Turk and using the same exact world view as a Turk. I assume you were the same Turk who discovered me, due to that slip up with my email address. You are pretending to be non-Turk to gain credibility. I was pretending to be non-Greek because I was posting on Turkey.com through proxies and did not want to be re-banned.

For the reality in Turkey see:
http://www.puk.org/web/htm/news/nws/30jan03nk.html

This article appeared in the LAtimes you need to register to view at the LATImes site but the PUK site has copy and pasted it:

"ERGANI, Turkey -- Berdan Acun remembers the icy tone of the birth registrar's question a year ago. "Hejar Pola? What kind of name is that?"
"It's Kurdish," said Acun, cradling his newborn. Hejar means "innocent," he explained proudly, and Pola means "steel." "My son, like me, shall have a Kurdish name."
"We cannot register such a name," said the clerk, a Turkish woman Acun had known for years. "We have new instructions."
Acun was stunned. The war was supposed to be over.
"Let me see the instructions," he said, struggling to control his anger.
"I cannot. They're confidential.""

So there you have it, a Kurdish baby with a Kurdish name is illegal in Turkey.

The Turks are completely wiping out Kurdish culture.

[Grafix]

So you got caught with your pants down lol
It amazes me how you think you could get away with acting like you're kurdish when you're nothing but a greek propagandist
too funny

It brings tears to my eyes to see your concern over minority rights
Let me ask you a question:

Do you show the same concern over greece's oppression of minorities?Probably not because you're a hypocrite.

You're all probably wondering what it is that Greece does? this shining light of democracy and a member of the EU?

Well here's the track record:

-In Greece **vlahs are allowed to speak their language only under the condition that they admit that they are greeks

-The Turkish minority is not allowed to call thmselves 'Turks' but rather 'muslim greeks' (an example of Greeces cultural assimiliation and denial of ethnic gheritage policies)

-Father Tsarnakis, an ethnic macedonian priest, admitted that he was macedonian on live TV. Needless to say he was arrested immediately DURING the show

-Turkish minorities in Greece were not even allowed to purchase real estate until a decade ago

-in Western Thrace, minorities still cant leave their place of birth without permission from the military, AND they cant get a job as a civil servant either!

-the Albanian language is still forbidden in Greece.
To an Eu commission that was investigating this human rights abuse, top class greek deputies proudly explained to the commission why 'albanian' should be banned.

-Christos Rozakis,who was a deputy-foreign minister was forced to resign because he had a jewish relative.such a case is the only known case of its kind in the world after WWII

Should I go on about Greece's abuses of human rights and disregard towards minorities including oppression?

if you were so concerned about human rights you'd clean up your own backyard first.
But the fact that you ACTED like you were a kurd to deceive people,the fact that you LIED...
and the fact that you don't disregard Greece's mistakes yet attack Turkey is a prime example of your motives: you are a propagandist who hates Turks and everything Turkish

Come on you admitted to lieing and attempting to deceive members of this site, at least admit to the true nature of your allegations as well

In regards to my name: unlike an extreme nationalistic racist like you, I am a HUMAN BEING before i am any race, nationality or creed

[ozgursever2000]

Followed you from yahoo message boards down here. Commienst=banned what other names do you have stelios. By the way grafix you made excellent points that should shut him up for a while.
few links:
http://bornova.ege.edu.tr/~ncyprus/garanti.html
http://www.cypnet.com/.ncyprus/histo...lic/index.html
and human rights watch on Greece and opression of Turkish minority. I remember you telling me that there is not such thing as turkish minority. They are muslim greeks???
Before taking swimming lessons from Kemal Ataturk and his troops you have killed women and children leaving symria and still talking about genocide. I will give you the actual figures soon.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/greece/