on turkish candidacy for the E.U

[andrewfilis-yelaghotis]

dear all,
id like to put my views across over the delicate issue whether Turkey as a internationally accepted republic may be legible for candidacy.
primarily i must stress that its not a matter of"should or should not" its a matter of macropolitics.
the facts are that Turkey has a not-so-just humanitarian history. facts that may belong to the past nevertheless facts that havent been analysed thouroughly.
The Turkish state, since Kemal took over in a populist attempt to emancipate the people of hte ottoman empire from the passions of the Sultan,has been a republic with a extorting underbelly of military rule. the forces of nationalism have been succcessful to an etend by creating a "turkish" common identity, but it would be fair to mention, usually by adopting unpleasant measures such as genocides of the armenian, kurdish, pontian ( hellenic subculture existed by the black sea)people, the asia minor coast affluent hellenes and many other minorities that existed exist on the turkish territory. apart from that by searching through the appeals to the internatonal court of justice, Turkey is amongst the most frequent republics taken to legal chambers. obviously this makes turkey a not so popular candidate.
though, there is an arguement whether the past should haunt us or not. subjectively speaking as a individual of hellenic descent, i wouldnt be bothered coexisting in one allience with turkey if certain criteria have been met. i put trust in E.U executive legislative and governing powers since these people are not free radicals nor by luck placed in such positions.
i partly ignore any other cultural differences to Turkey since history has indicated that coexistence can be acheived without much bloodsheding if tolerance and understanding is implemented in a early stage.
on a reletively smaller scale of importance, israel takes part in eurovision, of course this is uncomparable to the importance or macropolitics nevertheless there is a point in my arguement. benevolence and good faith in the future to come may aid in keeping most of us happy. but this doesnt make it a easy nor trivial task. many coefficients will determine the total outcome if it were for Turkey to join, such as policies on human rights, welfare, adjustment, cultural recognition and the list is endless. this attempt may appear hopeful or even naive since it avoids reference to any economic or political-interest issues, though it initiates a field where such issues may be discussed, id be delighted to hear from you and take this thread further.

thank you for ur time. urs cordially
a.

Originally posted by andrewfilis-yelaghotis
dear all,
id like to put my views across over the delicate issue whether Turkey as a internationally accepted republic may be legible for candidacy.
primarily i must stress that its not a matter of"should or should not" its a matter of macropolitics.
the facts are that Turkey has a not-so-just humanitarian history. facts that may belong to the past nevertheless facts that havent been analysed thouroughly.
The Turkish state, since Kemal took over in a populist attempt to emancipate the people of hte ottoman empire from the passions of the Sultan,has been a republic with a extorting underbelly of military rule. the forces of nationalism have been succcessful to an etend by creating a "turkish" common identity, but it would be fair to mention, usually by adopting unpleasant measures such as genocides of the armenian, kurdish, pontian ( hellenic subculture existed by the black sea)people, the asia minor coast affluent hellenes and many other minorities that existed exist on the turkish territory. apart from that by searching through the appeals to the internatonal court of justice, Turkey is amongst the most frequent republics taken to legal chambers. obviously this makes turkey a not so popular candidate.
though, there is an arguement whether the past should haunt us or not. subjectively speaking as a individual of hellenic descent, i wouldnt be bothered coexisting in one allience with turkey if certain criteria have been met. i put trust in E.U executive legislative and governing powers since these people are not free radicals nor by luck placed in such positions.
i partly ignore any other cultural differences to Turkey since history has indicated that coexistence can be acheived without much bloodsheding if tolerance and understanding is implemented in a early stage.
on a reletively smaller scale of importance, israel takes part in eurovision, of course this is uncomparable to the importance or macropolitics nevertheless there is a point in my arguement. benevolence and good faith in the future to come may aid in keeping most of us happy. but this doesnt make it a easy nor trivial task. many coefficients will determine the total outcome if it were for Turkey to join, such as policies on human rights, welfare, adjustment, cultural recognition and the list is endless. this attempt may appear hopeful or even naive since it avoids reference to any economic or political-interest issues, though it initiates a field where such issues may be discussed, id be delighted to hear from you and take this thread further.

thank you for ur time. urs cordially
a.

Hallo, Tikamsi kala isi?

Erst einmal ist es nicht im interesse der türkischen
oder grichischen Bevölkerung dass die Türkei der EU
beitritt. Es würde der Türkei die noch verbleibenden
guten Arbeitskräfte rauben und Europa überschwemmen,
(damit schlimmstenfalls das Euro-Lohnniveau weiter senken)
und in der Türkei nur den sehr wenigen groesseren türkischen Konzernen nützen
(die im übrigen die medien Kontrollieren und der
einfachen Bevölkerung weiß zu machen versucht es sei in ihrem Interesse).

Das mit den Menschenrechten ist ein Witz denn,
(mein Orthodoxer Bruder) es ist eine Tatsache dass die
Griechen in west-trakien die türkischen Dörfer mit
stacheldraht umzeunt haben. Hier sagt ja auch keiner was.
Aus armenischer sicht muss ich mich fairer weise von deiner
Haltung distanzieren. Ich komme aus einer alten armenischen
Familie die unter den Osmanen nicht gelitten hat.
Im vergleich zu den Greuertaten der Katholiken/Protestanten
zur Kolonialzeit in Afrika, Amerika, Südamerika ist die
osmanische Geschichte nicht so düster wie so manch einer
zu glauben vermag.

Bis dann, AS

[Thom_]

Quote:

es ist eine Tatsache dass die
Griechen in west-trakien die türkischen Dörfer mit
stacheldraht umzeunt haben

What one ever reads in the internet, should never get surprised.

Till now or shall I expect more?




I'll bet the information is from grafix?



((Aaron du Armenischer Dummkopf, hast du diese Stacheldraehte selbst gesehen?))

[ozgursever2000]

in a europe where anti-republic of turkey are allowed and where PKK terrorist ocalan could be picked up form the greek embassy in Kenya, with a greek passaqport Turkey will take extreme measures. However all your one sided claims need proof and a simple barbaric turk with no culture but blood and tears is classical BS.
Turkey is not easy to swallow. Unlike greece turkey has a large young population with so much potential but with very little economic resources. Not every turkish man/woman runs a kebab shop. Current Turkish population in europe is the kind of underqualified population europeans have asked for many years ago. With borders opened up it is a question if europe is big enough .
Another important point about EU is the representation power factor in EU parliement. With 70 million population with a positive population growth rate, Turkey has the largest population in europe after germany. And possibly the largest in the next 20 years. Thus Turkey will have the 2nd largest representation power in the european parliement.
Apart from those 2 reasons, Human rights, religion, cultural differences, role of army, economy are all BS excuses and the real reasons are never mentioned. Economy is important but lets not forget the monetary policy crisis in England and Italy due to common currency practices and the economy of GREECE before EU. So EU can make modifications to its system by letting Uk use its own currency or absorb an economical disaster GReeCe.