We in Europe Question America and Isreal's weapons of mass Destruction.

[Bollis]

We in Europe Question America and Isreal's weapons of mass Destruction.
Also America financing the Isreal genocide on Palestine.

Why isnt that being stopped.

[tisucre]

I guess it is all about lobby and money... which is sad.
USA should stop financing Israel... but that is almost impossible since we know how important is this lobby in the States. even hilary clinton supports Isarel, why? why a supposely intelligent woman thinks that? because she is the senator of NY and needs votes!
totally disgusting.

[Bollis]

totally agree.!!


Best wishes

[Farhaj]

I agree with you but this is the problem What is the solution.
why not the europian powers stope trade or atleast put some sanctions on USA and Israil.
As israil has not only weapons but its also using them on armless civilians and same is the case with USA
best of luck
Farhaj

[bosse_s]

As Chomsky would say: Israel is the largest U.S military base. It is where all the "fun" weapons are tested. It is really sick, when a "democracy" uses massive firepower, including weapons that are not in line with the Geneva convention, and violence beyond what is acceptable - it is accepted? Why, because they claim "good" intentions?

Shouldn't the demands be higher on "democratic" regimes than upon dictators and "evil nations" to try to follow international agreements and obligation towards Human Rights???

Hmm... Such Idealists. Such lost causes.
God, I love the endless monotony of it all.

[sam_a]

Originally posted by bosse_s
it is accepted? Why, because they claim "good" intentions?

No, its because they are "god's chosen people" that why

[DruidSmith]

Why is it we hear about the american roadmap for peace between israel and palestine? Why don't we hear about russian, french, chinese, german, or other efforts toward peace between israel and palestine? I guess the rest of the world sanctions the death and destruction of palestine through their silence and inaction. Also I should point out that a lot of weapons used by the idf against palestinians are of french and russian manufacture- I'd like to see some backup on Chomsky's claims.

...because the u.s. is the biggest supporter of the Israeli govt. and has done more to harm the peace process than help it...while Norway has actively been negotiating for peace by trying to mediate between the two sides.

[DruidSmith]

Yet tie this effort by Norway into the recent declaration against them by Al Qaeda. Misinformed Muslim extremists evidently also view Norway as "siding with Israel" just as they view the US position as strictly unilateral and siding with Israel, as many here do. Join the club. Get involved in any capacity whatsoever and you will likewise likely be immediately blamed and accused by both sides. I do commend Norway for their actions, and I believe they have the best interests of both parties in mind, and that they are being conscientious about it. More countries should follow suit, genuine progress could be made. Sadly they do not.

However, I doubt most knowledgeable Americans view the role of the US in trying to resolve the issues between Israel and Palestine as strictly unilateral either, or anything less than conscientious. My regret is that the US has thus far not come down harder on Israel, and has allowed itself to be distracted by other foreign policy issues. There is definitely still a double standard. Under other circumstances we'd be clamoring for economic sanctions and other pressure.

[bosse_s]

Druid, are you in Europe or in America? The "silence" you are talking about may be somewhat "systematic", since America don't pay much attention to what others do...!?

I've said it before, there have been efforts from EU to reinforce the Palestinian self-government, as well as making it more democratical. It is more or less in ruins now, such as several schools, police-stations and such paid for by the European tax-payers. Several peace-talks have been started by the EU as well.

The U.N have several times tried to work on the conflict, but have always been stopped by the U.S veto if the suggestions can be interpreted as "harsh" towards the Isreal state.

I think we have to admit, that U.S is the only nation who can make a real difference here. Either by its own action, or by starting to take notice to other nations efforts.

[DruidSmith]

A paradox that the US is perceived and expected by the world community to wear many different coats simultaneously, many of which differ so drastically different in ideology.

[bosse_s]

That was lame Druid! The U.S can be whatever it wants to be, blaming the world commnity and expertations is a bit silly. It is a matter of how the U.S want it self to be perceived by the world community.

Starting a world-wide war against terrorism, obviously creates some expertations. And so does the promise to deliver peace and prosperity to the middle east.

The U.S could, if it was the worlds biggest peacelover, spend all is military fundings on basically removing poverty from the face of the earth. The U.S could, if it wants to, put the world under its feet by opression and military actions.

Originally posted by DruidSmith
A paradox that the US is perceived and expected by the world community to wear many different coats simultaneously, many of which differ so drastically different in ideology.

Alot of how the u.s. is perceived has to do with how it pesents itself. The u.s. position has all too often been one of hypocracy and you can't expect the 'world community' not to notice.
The u.s. claims to be peace loving, then starts war after war to achieve it's own interests.
The u.s. claims to be the most generous but then has to be cited for not fulfilling it's humanitarian obligations while the nations that donate the most of their gdp to foreign aid do so with out bragging and without the credit that the u.s. screams for.
The u.s. claims to be the best democracy when in fact it is very anti-democracy and has always been a federal republic.
The u.s. is viewed as the wolf in sheeps clothing because that's how the u.s. chooses to operate. If the u.s. doesn't like being viewed as wearing so many coats simultaneously then maybe our govt. and people should stop being so damned ignorant, hypocritical, and deceitful.

[DruidSmith]

Yup, lame. Nobody else EVER exaggerates or makes anything up about the US, all that overblown hyperbole is actually true. The US does actually control EVERYTHING that goes on around the world. The US DOES actually screw up everything it touches. Everthing you have heard is ABSOLUTELY TRUE, because the US said so, and non-US-sanctioned perceptions are not allowed.

Yup. Lame. So lame I am laughing my *ss off right now.