Religion

[TZT]

Nobody likes people who push their religion on others.

My Bible says Seek and Ye Shall Find!

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Intresting that religion does not have a section on this forum as I believe that belief is very important to all cultures and countries.



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Shan "Free Ads Free Links" Ziel
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[KATEADOPTEDKIWI]

WHAT'S WRONG WITH DISCUSSING RELIGION. ACTUALLY IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT CULTURAL INFLUENCE. I THINK A FORUM FOR RELIGION IS GREAT..FIRST OF ALL IF IT ISN'T AN INTEREST DON'T LOGON, AND SECOND YOU CAN LEARN A GREAT DEAL ABOUT PEOPLE FROM THEIR RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS. I THINK RELIGION HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF GREAT STRIFE THROUGH THE CENTURIES, AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO LEARN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR ONES PERSONAL BENEFIT, SOUL, IF YOU WILL, AS WELL AS TO LEARN HOW TO GET AROUND ANOTHER'S EVIL DONE IN THE NAME OF GOOD. CHOW, KATE

[imported_watchmanz]

I agree ... and it has been suggested but I haven't had a response back as yet. Religion has been the cause of most of mankinds wars over the centuries, so it has a lot to answer for. Not just the christians either, all religions are in some way responsible for suppressing their followers. It may be an intrinsic design in religion thatit ends up doing that perhaps?

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"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom is courage"
- Thucydides

[TZT]

If religion is the opium of the masses than rock 'n'roll is cocaine.

Me and my Opa (Deutch/German for grandfather)would spend hours talking politics. My Oma AKA Grandmother would always tell us not to talk religion and politics, but that never stopped us.

It is truly nice to find people who care about issues.



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Shan "Free Ads Free Links" Ziel
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[KATEADOPTEDKIWI]

I AGREE THAT ALMOST ALL RELIGIONS HAVE IN THEM TEACHINGS ABOUT BEING THE RIGHT ONE. HOWEVER, MOST RELIGIONS DO HAVE TEACHINGS REGARDING LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR, DOING THE RIGHT THINGS, AND NOT HURTING PEOPLE. I THINK THAT SOMETIMES IT IS HUMAN NATURE FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO BE RIGHT AND SO THEY MAJOR ON THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF THEIR RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS AND HONE IN ON BEING RIGHT NO MATTER WHAT THE COST AND JUSTIFYING IT, INSTEAD OF LOVING YOUR FELLOW MAN, SHARING YOUR VIEWS AND WALKING AWAY IF YOU ARE NOT AGREED WITH. SINCE MY RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND IS A BIT DIFFERENT, WHAT I HAVE LEARNED IS THAT RELIGION IS LIKE THE BLIND MEN TOUCHING THE ELEPHANT. THEY EACH TOUCH A DIFFERENT PART AND THINK THEY KNOW THE WHOLE, WHEN IN FACT THEY DO NOT. EACH RELIGIOUS TRADITION IN THE WORLD HAS GRASPED A PART OF G-D, BUT NOT HIS TOTALITY. I THINK ONE MUST STUDY ALL RELIGIONS TO TRULY UNDERSTAND GOD. I BELIEVE GOD HAS REVEALED HIMSELF TO EVERY CULTURE IN A WAY THEY CAN UNDERSTAND. SORRY ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TODAYS SERMON. HA. KATE

[KATEADOPTEDKIWI]

GLAD TO HEAR SOMEONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN THINGS. I PLAN TO GET MY MASTER'S IN COMPARATIVE RELIGIONS...SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS MY FORTE. ROCK N' ROLL COCAINE OF THE MASSES. OPEN ENDED STATEMENT....COULD BE GOOD OR BAD DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT THINGS. I THINK THAT MOST ALL MUSIC IS GOOD, I THINK THAT ROCK IS FINE AS LONG AS THE MESSAGE IS POSITIVE. I THINK SOME ROCK IS REALLY DESTRUCTIVE BECAUSE IT MAKES PEOPLE GET VERY EMOTIONAL AND ACT OUT NEGATIVELY. HOWEVER A GREAT ROCK SONG CAN SURE LIVEN UP A PARTY. BRINGING THIS BACK TO RELIGION...MUSIC IS A GIFT BY GOD TO THE WORLD...ONCE AGAIN WHAT ONE DOES WITH THAT GIFT IS ONE'S CONTRIBUTION TO MANKIND. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THOSE WITH MUSICAL TALENT WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY DO, OR DO NOT DO WITH IT.

[TZT]

My sermon for the day.

Even Jesus was antireligious. He had some very harsh things to say about the Pharisees.

Matthew 23:13 to

"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye sut up the kingdom of heaven against men: For ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Woe unto your, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall recieve the greater damnation."

And of course it goes on.



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Shan "Free Ads Free Links" Ziel
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[KATEADOPTEDKIWI]

ABSOLUTELY....BUT ANYTIME THAT A GROUP WITH COMMON IDEAS COME TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT GOD ON A REGULAR BASIS DOESN'T THAT TECHNICALLY BECOME A RELIGION. IF YOU ACCEPT THAT AS TRUE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE STUDY OR WORSHIP OF GOD MUST REMAIN A PRIVATE MATTER? IF IT DOES NOT REMAIN A STRICTLY PRIVATE MATTER THEN IT SEEMS TO ME THAT "RELIGIONS" WILL ULTIMATELY EXIST IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. TIL LATER, KATE

[TZT]

It is almost not worth getting online I'm getting spun off so badly these last few weeks. Anyway, I did want to post here.

I'm definatly not in the "it's personal camp". I'm not a big preacher, or prostilizer; but, the great commision is to spread the Gosple.

I am fortunate to live in a country with freedom of speach and religion. How much infiltration has New Zealand had by the whole Political Correct movement? With the new "hate crimes" we are losing our rights to think things outloud which may be politically incorect. However, it is only okay to speak badly of Christians. Gays, women, minority religions all protected by more and more state laws; but you are free to bash Christians all that you like. Assult and murder all alreaady illegal so the suposid hate laws are indead redundant.

A teacher in Colorado just got in trouble for expressing his opinion in a 5th grade class room for expessing his opinion on homosexuality. A youth asked his opinon. He gave it and a parent complained. The biggest part of the issue is that the youth did not have signed concent forms for that topic.

I hate hate crimbs. I do believe their is only one race and that is the human race. Murder is murder, and I do back the death penality for premated murder. Manslauter and accidental or rage murder that is different. But to seak out and destroy a life in my mind only has one reasonable punishment.

My Grandfather(several great greats) was burned out of Canida for racial reasons. I do not know if the Germans burned him out for being married to a French-Indian woman or if the French-Indians burned him out for being German. Basically, his crops were burned and a message that next time it would be him was enough to motiviate him to bring the family to the USA where his children were frobiden to speak any language other than English (by my Grandfather not the natives).

Her in the USA many are of the mistaken belief that only people of color can be the victims of racism and my Grandfather was as white as you can get.

Anyway, back to religion. Religion I believe is best defined as a belief system. So even atheism is a religion. You have religion with or without God or gods.

Is religion personal? Yes, but it is my bias that people should be able to share their religion. Forcing others to come to you view is a waist of time. Only people who are insecure in their beliefs would even attempt to do such a thing.

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[TZT]

Sorry, for jumping arround on that last post but I"m so parinoind of getting spun off.

Race, religion, political correctness, prostilization, hate crimbs and freedom of religion all in one post! Books have been writtten on less

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[imported_watchmanz]

In New Zealand we, unfortunately, have everybody's worse nightmare in regards to political correctness. We have what is regarded as (but is not) our indigenous race - the Maori's. When the Treaty of Waitangi was signed between representatives of HM Government (Queen of England) and the Maori Chiefs it guaranteed that each and every person in New Zealand became a British subject with the same privileges and rights, and the same responsibilities. Admittedly some Maori's suffered after that by being cheated out of land in business deals etc. In the 1980's th NZ Government attempted to redress this issue, and the circus began! We now have Maori laying claim to almost every available acre of usable land in New Zealand. Maori have also claimed they own the sea, the air, and even the radio waves that make up TV and radio signals -- this is how pathetic the whole thing has become! The Government has settled major claims with tribes and the result is ruins -- one tribe was awarded about NZ$400mill - a year later they were in financial ruins with mounting debts. And they blame that on us as well - they say they are disadvantaged. It never ends. I'm going to get in trouble for what I'm going to say now, but I will say it anyway. The New Zealand Maori have a proud tradiiton, a wonderful language and culture - but all that is left of it is what the tourists see and the postcards show. What is the true Maori like? First of all, there are no full blooded Maori left, and there haven't been for several years now. Secondly, with obvious exceptions, a vast majority of Maori are immensely overweight through high alcohol consumption and poor dietary habits, they are usually unemployed and receiving state benefits, they make up 12% of our total population but approx 40% of our prison population, they are lazy, they are condescending towards white people and they are not interested in self-improvement. Bear in mind that the Maori - as I alluded to before - are not NZ's indigenous race (although they'll still claim they are even in the face of concrete proof to the contrary). NZ's indigenous race are the Maoriori and the last full-blooded Maoriori died not so long ago.
So why do I say all of this? It's not to "stir the ****" or anything, it's to let people know that the beautiful and harmonious New Zealand they see in the travel brochures does not exist. Underneath the glossy facade is an undercurrent of racial tension and mistrust.
We have progressed from a society where maori were not permitted to speak their own language to a society where other children are forced to learn Maori, and where people can be elected to parliament or get places at Universities just because they are Maori. We have a special Maori All Blacks Rugby team that white people cannot play for, and yet the Maori can play for the Maori team and the national team. We have special parliamentary seats for the Maori - Maori can choose to be an elector in the Maori seat or the general seat while the white person has no choice. The Maori can, and do, plunder our beaches of shellfish saying it is their natural right - everyone else has a strict quota placed on what they can have. This applies to fish as well. There are even some jobs held especially for Maori ----- and yet the New Zealand law says we cannot discrimate in any way at all on the basis of age, sex, gender, race, sexual orientation, political or religious beliefs. Funnily enough there is one exception --- I wonder if you can guess which race has an exemption here?

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"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom is courage"
- Thucydides

[imported_watchmanz]

I have a belief system unlike either of yours. I won't name it or go into great details here - mainly because doing so usually leads to uninformed stereotypes being put forward, in the same way as if I said "Catholic Priest and the Altar Boy" - it would suggest something that may or may not be true.
Suffice it to say that my belief system does not pray or bow down to anyone or anything, it respects everything. The reservation of, and the respect for, all forms of life is one of the major tenets of my "religion". If you hurt nobody else you are free to do with your life as you wish, so long as the respect for life is observed.
Christians and Satanists are all the same, just different sides of the coin. Atheists are so busy denying God that they deny every other possibility as well.
The closest I can go without detailing my belief system is to say that we "pray" (bad word to use here) to the actual force that gives life ... that is everything.
Those are my views anyway, for what they are worth. If anybody wishes anymore detail just ask. Other than that I shall not elaborate, as I detest people who push their religions onto others without the others consent.

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"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom is courage"
- Thucydides

[TZT]

Chrisitanity and Satianism being two sides of the same coin?

I shall return.

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[TZT]

While reflecting on Satinism and Christianity being the same thing--NOT--I heard a Bob Dylan song come to my head. Was hoping for some good bible versus to pop into my head but what I got was

"You gota serve somebody

It may be the devil or it may be the Lord

but you gota serve somebody"

Saying that Satanism and Christianity are the same is like saying it dosen't matter. I unequivically disagree with that postion.

In the last days people will call good evil and evil good. Santan and the Lord are not the same.

I'm not forcing my views on anyone. I believe that if you seek you will find. Most people that I have known to claim Satainism as their belief system say this as a means of attention getting. Satainist spread their fecal matter under their bed. Watchmaz do you have any knowledge of what Satanist believe even the ones who are just doing it for attention.



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[imported_watchmanz]

There are many forms of Satanism in the same way as there are many forms of Christianity. I do not agree with either point of view but let me explain what I meant by saying that Satanism and Christianity are just two sides of the same coin.
God is an invention of the Christians. I say this using the word invenion in a liberal sense so as not ot offend Christians. The Bible is said to be the word of God, and it is in the Bible that Satan is mentioned. It is only in Christian tracts that Satan is mentioned - that word is a Christian word.
You cannot believe in God if you do not believe in Satan, because the "word of God" is what says that Satan exists. You cannot believe in Satan without believing in God for the same reason. One is the good force in the Christian belief system while the other is the bad force .... another words, two sides of the same coin. Heads and Tails, Yin and Yang, Dark and Light, Good and Bad, and so on.


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"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom is courage"
- Thucydides