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Old 14th March 2001, 04:52
imported_neo imported_neo is offline
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With the recent furore and irational behaviour of politicians, quisling do gooders, brain damaged news journos
(the herald editor) regarding the dreaded cloning of humans, it's time for some rational insight into our exciting new bio-tech/business era.

The Herald in it's poorly researched diatribe on cloning over the last two days uses words such as scary, frightning, tampering with nature, evil, frankenstein technology, you get the picture. In the editorial Tuesday he concludes, why do it.

The same retarded thinking implied early last century, "if it's heavier than air it will never get off the ground let alone fly" Along came the Wright brothers and the rest is history.

Knowledge is increasing at great speed each year. Consider how far man has come in the first thousand years from year one. Then consider the next 600 years and how we doubled our knowledge base in half the time. Consider then the next 300 years to 1900 and how knowledge doubled again in half the time. And finally consider how far advanced knowledge became from 1900 to 1970, from 1970 to 1990 and indeed in the last 11 years. We are doubling our capacity of new knowledge in less and less time, to the stage now where we can expect new knowledge to transpire in months that took decades to produce just a few short years ago. What will it be like by 2012, a thousand years of new knowledge in todays thinking in a matter of months.

Here's an interesting article written for a news wire service by Raymond Kurzweil a noted physicist, author and scientist. This should get the juices flowing. IMHO exciting times are ahead.

Human Cloning is the Least of It
by Raymond Kurzweil

Originally Published 09/01/01

In this message posted to the WIRED Future List, Raymond Kurzweil asserts that cloning--replicating animals, organs, and cells--has profound implications for health and well-being of both humans and animals, including a possible solution for world hunger. He also sees no problem with human cloning.

There's no doubt that human cloning will occur, and occur soon, driven by all the usual reasons, led perhaps by its utility as a very weak form of immortality. The methods that are demonstrable in advanced animals will work quite well in humans, and the ethical barriers are feeble if they exist at all. In my view, cloning is an extremely important technology, but the cloning of humans is the least of it. Let me first address its most valuable applications and then return to its most controversial one.

The early Twenty First century will be shaped by accelerating and interacting technological transformations, all based in one way or another on information. These include the explicit information technologies of intelligent machines, robotics, nanotechnology, and virtual reality. Of perhaps even more immediate impact on human longevity and well-being will be the multiple and intersecting biological revolutions, which are based on understanding the information processes underlying life and disease, such as rational drug design, genomics, proteomics, and genetic cloning.

Why is cloning important? The most immediate application is improved breeding by being able to directly reproduce an animal with a desirable set of genetic traits. A powerful example is reproducing animals from transgenic embryos (i.e., embryos with foreign genes) for pharmaceutical production. A case in point is that one of the most promising new anti-cancer treatments is an antiangiogenesis drug (i.e., a drug that inhibits tumors from creating the new capillary networks needed for their growth) called aaATIII, which is produced in the milk of transgenic goats.

Another exciting application is recreating animals from endangered species. By cryopreserving cells from these species, they never need become extinct. It will eventually be possible to recreate animals from recently extinct species. As for long extinct species (e.g., dinosaurs), there is a high level of doubt that we will find the fully intact DNA required in a single preserved cell, but it is quite possible that we will eventually be able to synthesize the DNA needed by patching together the information derived from multiple inactive fragments.

Another valuable emerging application is therapeutic cloning of one's own organs. Here we don't clone the entire person (i.e., you), but rather directly create one of your organs. By starting with stem cells cloned from your own skin cells, differentiation is triggered prior to the formation of a fetus. Because differentiation takes place during the pre-fetal stage, most ethicists believe that this process does not raise ethical concerns. The process directly grows an organ with your genetic make-up. Perhaps most importantly, the new organ has its telomeres (the chemical "beads" at the end of DNA that get shorter every time a cell divides) fully extended to their original youthful length, so that the new organ is effectively young again. So an eighty-year-old man could have his heart replaced with his own "twenty-five-year-old" heart.

The injection of pancreatic Islet cells is already showing great promise in treating type I Diabetes, but contemporary treatments require strong anti-rejection drugs, and the availability of these cells for transplantation is very limited. With therapeutic cloning, a type I Diabetic will be able to produce his own Islet cells with his own genetic make-up, thereby eliminating both the rejection and availability problems and thereby curing his Diabetes.

Even more exciting is the prospect of replacing one's organs and tissues with their "young" telomere extended replacements without surgery. By introducing cloned telomere extended cells into an organ, these cells will integrate themselves along with the older cells. Through repeated treatments of this kind over a period of time, the organ will end up being dominated by the younger cells. We normally replace our own cells on a regular basis anyway, so why not do so with youthful telomere extended cells rather than telomere shortened ones? There is no reason why we couldn't do this with every organ and tissue in our body. We would thereby grow progressively younger.

Another exciting opportunity is to create meat without animals. As with therapeutic cloning, we would not be creating the entire animal, but rather directly producing the desired animal parts or flesh. Essentially, all of the meat--billions of pounds of it--would in essence be from a single animal. What's the point of doing this? For one thing, we could eliminate human hunger. By creating meat in this way, it becomes subject to the "law of accelerating returns," which is the exponential improvements in price-performance of information-based technologies over time. So meat produced in this way will ultimately be extremely inexpensive. It could cost less than one percent of conventionally produced meat. Even though hunger in the world today is certainly exacerbated by political issues and conflicts, meat will become so inexpensive that it will have a profound effect on the affordability of food.

The advent of animal-less meat will also eliminate animal suffering. The economics of factory farming place a very low priority on the comfort and life style of the animals. They are essentially cogs in a machine, and suffer on a massive scale. Although animal activists may prefer that everyone become a vegetarian, that is not likely, and some research suggests would not be ideal for everyone from a nutritional perspective. With animal-less meat, there would be no animal suffering. We could use the same approach for such animal byproducts as leather, and, dare I say, fur. The enormous ecological damage created by factory farming would also be eliminated. And we could produce meat with a far more desirable nutritional profile.

Which brings us to human cloning, in my mind the least interesting application. I see neither the acute ethical dilemmas nor the profound promise that ethicists and enthusiasts have debated. So we'll have genetic twins separated by one or more generations, it's the sort of idea society absorbs in its sleep. It's far different from mental cloning in which a person's entire personality, memory, skills, and history will ultimately be downloaded into a different, and most likely more powerful, thinking medium. There's no issue of philosophical identity with genetic cloning - genetic clones are different people even more so than conventional twins today.

But if we consider the full concept of cloning from cell to organisms, the benefits have enormous synergy with the other revolutions occurring in biology as well as in computer technology. As we learn to understand the genome of both humans and animals, and as we develop powerful new means of harnessing genetic information, cloning provides the means to replicate animals, organs, and cells with profound implications for health and well-being, of both ourselves and our evolutionary cousins in the animal kingdom.

This was a message that Raymond Kurzweil posted to the Wired Future List

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