Pathetic Greek Turkey's OFFICIAL CANDIDACY WAS SHOVED DOWN Greece's throat as .......

[ProudTurk]

Turkey happens to be World's 17th Largest Economy with a GDP of $ 425 Billion.

Your own EU partners are tried of the "cry-baby of EU", Greece !!!. Besiedes if it does NOT happen NO PROBLEM Turkey has become World's 17th Largest economy without being any part of the EU ... on the contrary Greece has been in there for a good number of years and still the POOREST Western European country !!!.

No industry ... no productivity, some tourism !. Although with a record number of 12 Million tourists Turkey has far surpassed Greece in that area as well !!!.

Go help out your "fascist" friends in Belgrade against your NATO allies that's what you are good for ! ...

[imported_Greek]

I see that propaganda is the best way to promote Turkey’s interests. I saw your threads on this forum and I decided to reply, just to let u know that it is not working!! R u trying to persuade us that Turkey is a heaven on earth??? That every Turk is happy while living under the military status??? That the Turkish economy is one of the modern miracles???( the picture of the politicians distributing BREAD to the poor people during the recent elections period, is still in my mind…and believe me I feel sad for those people). I am Greek and I know that the financial situation is not flourishing in my country but that’s the economic situation worldwide. I must admit however that a lot of things doesn’t work properly in Greece these days, but the difference between Greeks and Turks is that we always put pressure on the government to improve things. so please don’t make stupid comparisons about a democratic state and a country in which the military law rules everything …from the foreign policy to the daily practice!!! U r exposing yourself through your msgs by calling Greeks ‘racists’, while it is well known all over the world your role on the WWII, the massacres of Greeks, Armenians and Kurds!!! It was Greek organizations who sent humanitarian help not only to the Serbs, as u might want to believe, but to the Albanians too. Unless u believe that this kind of help should be forbidden..for example we should not support the Iraquish people while it is daily bombed!! If that is your opinion let the audience knows! We all know the meaning of the word ’human rights’ in your country….we all know what u have contributed to what is known today as civilization…so please stop humiliating yourself. It is just not working!! Don’t forget, people have the ability to think!!
ELLADA-KYPROS-ELLINISMOS

[Rikbe]

I hear that Cyprus will be reunited.

[imported_Greek]

Hopefully, but let me express my view.
I believe it is vital to give the historic background of what is called today the ‘Cyprus problem’ and then make some remarks on Cofi Anan’s plan (although I would prefer to call it US plan). The first invasion (Attila 1) took place on 20 July 1974 and the second and major one (attila2) on 15 augoust1974. Until, then the two communities were living together and vote for unification with Greece while being under U.K’s influence. It was 1955 when the Greek-cypriots (with the help of Turkish-cypriots) start a guerrilla war against the British (EOKA A). This attempt failed. During 1967 and 1974 there was dictatorship in Greece and it is well known that its policy open the door for Turkey. According to Geneva’s treaty Turkey had no right in Cyprus at all!! But during EOKA B, the war for unification with Greece, several bomb attacks took place against Turkish-cypriots buildings and churches. A few years ago, after the invasion took place, Rauf Denktas admitted that it was his troops who were responsible for those attacks!!!! Just to give an excuse for Turkey to invade!! According to the treaty of London , Turkey had obtained the right to interfere and launched its invasion. The current situation in Cyprus is as follows: almost 35% of the island is occupied by the Turkish army, the most precious part of the land is included since the major lakes and all plains are in that part. Still, the most advanced part of the island is the free areas. The annual income of Greek-cypriots is 10 times higher than that of the Turkish-cypriots. The macroeconomics elements is also in favor of the Greek-cypriots. Greek-cypriots are mostly educated in Europe and the States while Turkish-cypriot in the occupied areas where the university is controlled by Rauf Denktas. In addition, 1619 people, both Greeks and Greek-cypriots, are missing since invasion!!! I should remind u here that US refused to normalize its relationships with Vietnam because there were 9 missing Americans soldiers during the war!!! But this doesn’t apply in Cyprus!!!! Despite the separation of the two communities for over 28 years both the Turkish-cypriots and Greek-cypriots want to live together!!! It is the settlers who are the major problem. There are almost 125000 settlers, the most fanatic ones which took part of the invasion coming from the eastern Turkey, whereas the Turkish-cypriots are only 65000!!!( the Greek-cypriots living in Cyprus are almost 700000) And what Anan proposes???? The plan predicts that only 35000 of the settlers will return to Turkey against all human rights treaties where no settler can be justified!!! That means that almost 90000 Turks will remain in the island, and in my view these are the biggest threat for peace. There is a silly argument put forward byRauf Denktas: he says that it is not possible to force thousands of people leave from THEIR HOMES!!!! He obviously forgot the fact that these homes belong to people who were forced to abandon them during invasion!!!half of the Greek-cypriots are still holding their land documents hoping that one day they will return to their homes. Another part of the plan predicts that almost 28% of the island should remain under Turkish-Cypriot influence!!!!and no Greek-Cypriot will have the right to buy land in these areas!!!!! Is this Democratic?? Where is the free movement of goods and peoples right????Not to mention that 10% of the population will occupy 28% of the land!!!! What is outrageous, though, is the right of the Turkish-Cypriot ( i.e Turks since they are the majority)to have the right of veto!!!!well, that is not the DEMOCRACY I learnt about! I know that THE MAJORITY RULES, otherwise there is anarchy! In other words, every decisions of the government should have the approval of Turkey!!! But isn’t this a way for Turkey to influence E.U.’s decisions??? Finally, as far as the justice problem, the plan predicts that there would be 3 Greek-cypriots-3 Turkish-cypriots and 3 European Judges ( probably British)!!!!! And they want us to believe that this would be an independent country??????
In my view the best way to bring together the 2 communities is via economic activity. But there are some preliminary things that have to be done first and I mean the immediate withdrawn of the Settlers ( they are the most fanatic).then let the 2 communities involved in trade between them. That is the only way to achieve prosperity. That would give the opportunity for a Turkish-cypriot to be elected from Greek-cyprits votes and the opposite.

[Rikbe]

You are right, that is not democracy. In addition, allowing the settlers to stay would probably create another North Ireland.

[CengizHan]

Cyprus will not be united.Eu hopes to bargian for cyprus, by saying they will give Turkey a date for the date of the date in to EU.We will not have it.During 1970s greeks murdered the Turks on that island.They gave us a right to invade.Had they not started that civil war, now there would be no such issues.But you did.Now what will happen to the turks there.Treat them like sh'it again.No thanks,we cant and wont trust you.Ever since Turkey has invaded the island there has been peace, Turks and Greeks maybe have to live separetly, that might be the solution for peace.Stop your imperialistic dreams about cyprus and enosis, so more people wont have to die.

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[Niquie]

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[PerPegelow]

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[Niquie]

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[PerPegelow]

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[Niquie]

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[waffelke]

ProudTurk: Look, as proud as you may be of your own country, which I have to give you credit for, there are a lot of reasons why Turkey's candidacy to the EU is very unlikely. Out of most European countries, you have probably the worst Human rights violations in Europe. the EU is not going to admit ANY country that still violates the way you guys do. It's not about your economy. Look at all the applicant Eastern European countries, they will have to fullfill all the standards before getting accepted into the EU, even if they have a poor economy.

I know Turkey has a better GDP, productivity, etc, but that's not what being part of the EU is. And Greece is not Western Europe in geographical terms.

I'm not taking sides on which country is better, because in today's world that's a very egotistical view.

[Karanaki]

albania is europe's poorest country.

[moods]

As long as Turkey does not remove all this barriers and hostile environemnt against its neigbours and would be very unlikely to enter EU!!!!!! And how can Turkey enter EU when Cyprus Would be a member? Very Very Unlikely!

Turkey for so many years encourage a hostile environment against its neigbours , It behaves in a manner which does not reflect European Values and Principles! Turkey encourage a hostile environemnt for so many Years . It does not behave under democracy conditions. It used to encourage a hostile environemt for so many years against a smaller but richer country Cyprus !

I really can not understand that? How can you become a memer of EU if you encourage a hostile environment among your neigbours Ie Cyprus ! Really very difficult ti understand that Turkey wants to become a EU memebr and then to encourage hostility among its neigbours which it happens to be EU members! Europe wants to see actions from turkey not speeches as always!

I would love to see Turkey to change and become a european country ! But As long as the attitude and the currenmt politics remained there it is difficult!

They do not allow cypriots to travel to Turkey The human rights record is so bad . How can you eneter The EU if you behave in such a manner.??????