This American's view

[GREYHAMILTON]

The site has too much incorporated George Bush with America, are you so quick to forget Bush LOST the popular vote. Which means he does NOT represent the MAJORITY of the people of America. I think George Bush is a terrible Pres, and I voted Al Gore, perhaps the better of the 2 evils. More of being Pro-Gore I was Anti-Bush. I didn't vote for his daddy either. He's led a very successful military campaign, meanwhile ignoring the American economy and the middle East. Now they are all blowing up in his face and he can't fight Iraq until the Arabs feel good about the middle east, and Bush can't keep his PR up if he's not fighting. He's seemed to have tripped over his old tracks and i predict in 2004 America will Usher in a new much more useful president.

As for the middle East, I'm completely behind Israel. They've owned that land for over 3,000 years. Can Belgium itself not remember that long ago when it was taken over; by a country called Germany. Who there would call there ancestors terrorist for trying to take back land they already owned??? The Muslims initially are trying to convert every country into a Muslim state. To see it, all you must do is look to the Violence in Africa.
-If a French air force began randomly bombing Germany right now, and the French govt said they didn't order the pilots to do it, Would it be so wrong for the German army to go into France and destroy that airport???


-Grey-

[Rikbe]

Hey Grey,

Since 9/11 everyone has forgotten the elections and Bush has become the hero. Probably he will be re-elected if he plays the game well.

Concerning Israel having historical rights, that's b/s. Historical rights have never been respected. Would you give back New Mexico, Texas and California to the Mexicans? Alaska to the Russians? Missouri and Mississippi to the French? What's left of US would naturally go to native americans.

Don't get me wrong, I am also behind Israel, but for different reasons.

[coco]

How can you back israel, i am surprised how can you think like this.
The jews(and you are yourselves ) are doing the same ,maybe worse than what hitler did to them ,the difference is nobody is backing or helping those poor people ,not even their own, the arabs.
Can you see the pictures on tv, children and women being killed like animals? can t you see churches and houses, mosques being destroyed ,cant you see babies starved to death ? if after all this you are telling me you backing irrael,sorry ,i have to put you in the same bag as charon.
The animal(sharon) is a war criminal ,he done it before, he s doing it again and hes gonna do it again and againif hes not stopped, but quess what, america cant believe sharon is not listening to them, you know why? BECAUSE america is in the jews front pocket, they like it or not(americans).
Bush ,he doesnt know what to do anymore, he done all what they asked him to,and they still not happy with him ,the man doesnt sleep anymore, he became paranoid,we can say half crazy.
Israel told him that they are scared of IRAQ,ok lets start a war,and you see he propaganda everywhere, IRAQ got nuclear power, its athreat to their neighbours, since when bush cares about arabs ,he doesnt give a damn,really hes worried about his big bosses, the jews,otherwise, why doesnt he bomb israel ? they have 200 nuclear heads aiming at every country in the middle east.
Anyway, the story is so long ,but as human being we shouldnt back what israel is doing, otherwise we gonna blame hitler for his unfinished JOB,and the world gonna become a jungle again.

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by chico
Can you see the pictures on tv, children and women being killed like animals? can t you see churches and houses, mosques being destroyed ,cant you see babies starved to death ?

Nope, I did not see that. What channel do you watch?

What I did see was a bucn of Arabs destroying everything in Antwerp. Maybe we should ask the Israelians to give us a hand. They know how to deal with that scum.

Let me guess Chico, are you Arab?

[coco]

I dont have to be arab to fefend the opressed ,if you cant see other channels ,read foreign news papers ,read what other people have to say about what s happening in palestine, we know you are a jew , but a least try to be a good one , or more like it a fair one .
You came to palastine as refugees , those people you are killing now, they gave you refuge ,but what are you doing now, you are biting the hand that gave you food, typical.
YOu going on and on about muslims, they hate us, ect ect,.....Why dont you tell everybody what your book, the torah says about christians ,be a good jew for once and say it loudly.You complaining about some arabs destroying as you said ANTWERP, ok it shouldnt be done, but why dont you tell everybody that you are destroying whole countries from within? you done that first to america, where are the RED INDIANS, you killed them all,who killed abraham lincon, it was ajew ,but as the media is controlled by he jewish, nobody bothered to say it, who lead NAPOLEON to his destruction,? the jews of course(ican proove everything i say by history books,authors are not arabs by the way)
Who destroyed GERMANY ?of course the Zionists ,hitler was being driven into it.
Now you are trying to do the same thing to BELGUIM,you stirring trouble where ever you go, you run away as usual, and you stand to watsh ,but people are waking up ,they start to know whos the real enemy , check out this web site, it belong to a jew.www.naom shomsky.com.listen to what the man has to say, open your ears, and forget about your grandad sharon for a mt.
Read the english independent news paper, look out for what ROBERT FISK has to say (HES NOT ARAB).
BY the way i am not arab.

[Rikbe]

I must disappoint you. No jews in my family or ancestors for generations. No Arabs ether.

Palestinians came also to Palestine as refugees in the second half of the 19 Th. and the 20 Th. century. From the beginning they tried to exterminate the Jews. It resulted in several wars between Israel and the Arab countries. In 1967 the Israelis beat the sh!t out of the joint armies of Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan. They conquered the Westbank, the Golan and the Sinai.
I think they deserve their country.

You forget that you, Arabs came here looking for a better live because you were not able to do something decent in your own country. What is the result? Riots, crimes, looting, terrorism. YOU have no respect for the countries that adopted you. YOU refuse to integrate in our country and culture but want to turn it into a medieval Muslim state.

It is not just Israel, it is all over the world were Muslims are. Blood everywhere, if there are no Christians, Jews or Hindus to kill, you kill each other.

[coco]

You know you are out of order ,so that is it ,no more discution with you ,thanks for replying anyway ,its good to know.


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[freeOne]

To rikbe little ****y sionizt,

the little ignorant **** wrote:
"Palestinians came also to Palestine as refugees in the second half of the 19 Th. and the 20 Th. century. From the beginning they tried to exterminate the Jews. It resulted in several wars between Israel and the Arab countries. In 1967 the Israelis beat the sh!t out of the joint armies of Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan. They conquered the Westbank, the Golan and the Sinai"

Where did you study your history, little ignorant and arrogant dude you are??? When the Arabs rules this region for centuries except some problems, there was harmony life between jews & arabs. But since you trouble maker piece of **** (europeans) discover oil in this region and after spoiled Africa, America (with natives), Australia and ..., you create sionizm (Israel as a cheap mercenary) to spoil this land....and after that you're comming to us crying: give me respect !!!
You talk about Antwerp (I don't live in your ****y country but I had the bad luck to work there for 2 months as an IT integrator), your ****.. city is built on african bones when you went to Africa to steal the diamands.
And for the 67 war, you have to know, piece of ****, that France and UK helped israel with their intelligence service and their air forces to fight countries who were helped mainly by russian communists (jews).
the Israel help from the US is 3 billion/year + all the help from Germany (give me money else I'm going to produce more holocaust film...)

But I don't expect such informations from a ****y guy like you, as a said you I worked there, I never saw so ignorant people as belgians are ( even in technology, you stink guys)

[coco]

To RIKBE and friends
Check these articles and reply;
http://www.davidduke.com/writings/ho...literror.shtml
http://www.libertypressjournal.com

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by freeOne
To rikbe little ****y sionizt,

the little ignorant **** wrote:
"Palestinians came also to Palestine as refugees in the second half of the 19 Th. and the 20 Th. century. From the beginning they tried to exterminate the Jews. It resulted in several wars between Israel and the Arab countries. In 1967 the Israelis beat the sh!t out of the joint armies of Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan. They conquered the Westbank, the Golan and the Sinai"

Where did you study your history, little ignorant and arrogant dude you are??? When the Arabs rules this region for centuries except some problems, there was harmony life between jews & arabs. But since you trouble maker piece of **** (europeans) discover oil in this region and after spoiled Africa, America (with natives), Australia and ..., you create sionizm (Israel as a cheap mercenary) to spoil this land....and after that you're comming to us crying: give me respect !!!
You talk about Antwerp (I don't live in your ****y country but I had the bad luck to work there for 2 months as an IT integrator), your ****.. city is built on african bones when you went to Africa to steal the diamands.
And for the 67 war, you have to know, piece of ****, that France and UK helped israel with their intelligence service and their air forces to fight countries who were helped mainly by russian communists (jews).
the Israel help from the US is 3 billion/year + all the help from Germany (give me money else I'm going to produce more holocaust film...)

But I don't expect such informations from a ****y guy like you, as a said you I worked there, I never saw so ignorant people as belgians are ( even in technology, you stink guys)

Your vulgarity illustrates you intelligence.
No wonder they sent you back to Africa.

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by chico

To RIKBE and friends
Check these articles and reply;
http://www.davidduke.com/writings/ho...literror.shtml
http://www.libertypressjournal.com

Thanks for the links.

This

says it all.

[coco]

Hi rikbe:
Would you concider reading this;
http://www.what really happened.com

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by chico
Hi rikbe:
Would you concider reading this;
http://www.what really happened.com

Since 9/11 internet is flooded with Arab and pro Arab sites trying to blame the Jews for the massacre. Since I have read plenty of "information" that proofs the "guilt" of USA and jews for about everything that is going wrong in the world.
What is the difference with Nazism between the two world wars?
Not the jews try to impose their religion with bombs and massacres, but the Muslims. I don't have to go to Palestine to see what is really happening, I can see it right here.

[fleming]

Well, I’m against riots in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe… I think those who cause mayhem overhere, who have demolished private and public property, who have harrassed jewish citizens etc… should be found and trialed.

But that does not change my point of view on what’s happening in the middle-east. And now more than ever I’m convinced that a large injustice has been done to the palestinian people, and that they have the right to fight back.

The State of Israël emerged by a decision of the United Nations. At time, in the original area that was supposed to become Israël, there lived about 600.000 jews, and some million and a half Palestines. These 600.000 jews haven’t lived there but since a couple of years, because in 1900 there lived not more than 50.000 jews in Palestina.
Without consulting the local population the United Nations have obliged the palestinians to give up a large part of the territory. Nobody has the right force a people to do that, not even the United Nations.
That’s a first injustice.

In 1949 Israël took a larger part of the area than was designated by the United Nations.
That’s a second injustice.

By 1967 already 700.000 Palestinians were driven away. They do not get a chance to return.
That’s a third injustice.

In 1967 Israël started to occupy Sinaï, Golan, Gaza, The West Bank and East Jerusalem which at that time was Palestine territory.
Immediately after that the security council of the United Nations issued resolution 242, forbidding the annexation of the occupied territories, and saying that the refugeeproblem should be resolved.
Israël didn’t give a damn about this and the following resolutions. The whole area around Jerusalem was annexed. Thousands of Palestians fled and still live in refugee camps. Those who stayed have to live under occupation.
That’s a fourth injustice.

Although colonization is totally unacceptable, Israël hasn’t stopped building settlements in the occupied territories since 1967.
That’s a fifth injustice.

Just like other people, palestinians have the right of self-determination.

Since the end of Apartheid in South-Africa, Israël is the only country that still has laws that discriminate on base of biological descent.
A jew who has lived an Russia and who’s ancestors have lived in Russia for centuries, has the right to go and settle in Israël. But a Palestinian who had to fled and has lived for all his life in Palestine, who’s ancestors have lived overthere for centuries too, does not have the right to return.
That’s a sixth injustice.

I agree that there is a lot of extremism amongst Palestinians. But what do you expect if you keep on humiliating and economically suffocating a whole people? If you drive people to dispear they usually tend to become extremists.
Israel shows a total contempt for any United Nations resolutions, which strengthens certain palestinian groups in their believe that violence is the only way to get things done.
On top of that, Israël has intentionally encouraged extremism by symbolically insulting the Palestians again and again:Benjamin Netanyahu who took the tunnel under the Al-Aska Mosque, Ariel Sharon who provocates by going to the Temple Mountain….. These kind of actions are totally unnecessary and are only fueling feelings of hate and outrage amongst the Palestinians.

Innocent Israeli civilians died by suicide-bombings, but 800 women and children were slaughtered in Sabra and Chatilla.
And today, in Jenin, the air is filled with the strench of decaying corpses. Families, women and children are burried alive under the ruble of their houses.
This information doesn’t come from a Palestinian propaganda website, but from the United Nations Envoy himself.

Israël claims it has gone into the Palestinian territories to arrest terrorists. But in certain villages they have arrested all the men between 16 and 55, leaving only the women, children and elderly behind.

At the moment, still 5.000 palestinians are detained. Since in Israël certain forms of torture are approved by law, I hold my breath for what with these people might happen.

I condemn all forms of extremism and suicide-bombings, but it is clear that Israël does practically everything to encourage extremism among the palestinian people. Its largely dued to Israël that a minority of Islam-extremists gets the upperhand amongst the Palestinian people.

Israël claims to be a democracy. Yet they do not respect humanitarian law, do net let the neutral red cross in the area and do not let the neutral United Nations observers in certain areas. So, excuse me for being sceptical about any official statement done by the Israëli government or army regarding the situation on the ‘battlefield’.

Thank you for standing on my soapbox here.

P.S.: Certain media describe the whole palestinian people as a bunch of islam extremists, but a large part of the population is in fact christian.

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by Fleming
Well, I’m against riots in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe… I think those who cause mayhem overhere, who have demolished private and public property, who have harrassed jewish citizens etc… should be found and trialed.

But that does not change my point of view on what’s happening in the middle-east. And now more than ever I’m convinced that a large injustice has been done to the palestinian people, and that they have the right to fight back.

The State of Israël emerged by a decision of the United Nations. At time, in the original area that was supposed to become Israël, there lived about 600.000 jews, and some million and a half Palestines. These 600.000 jews haven’t lived there but since a couple of years, because in 1900 there lived not more than 50.000 jews in Palestina.
Without consulting the local population the United Nations have obliged the palestinians to give up a large part of the territory. Nobody has the right force a people to do that, not even the United Nations.
That’s a first injustice.

In 1949 Israël took a larger part of the area than was designated by the United Nations.
That’s a second injustice.

By 1967 already 700.000 Palestinians were driven away. They do not get a chance to return.
That’s a third injustice.

In 1967 Israël started to occupy Sinaï, Golan, Gaza, The West Bank and East Jerusalem which at that time was Palestine territory.
Immediately after that the security council of the United Nations issued resolution 242, forbidding the annexation of the occupied territories, and saying that the refugeeproblem should be resolved.
Israël didn’t give a damn about this and the following resolutions. The whole area around Jerusalem was annexed. Thousands of Palestians fled and still live in refugee camps. Those who stayed have to live under occupation.
That’s a fourth injustice.

Although colonization is totally unacceptable, Israël hasn’t stopped building settlements in the occupied territories since 1967.
That’s a fifth injustice.

Just like other people, palestinians have the right of self-determination.

Since the end of Apartheid in South-Africa, Israël is the only country that still has laws that discriminate on base of biological descent.
A jew who has lived an Russia and who’s ancestors have lived in Russia for centuries, has the right to go and settle in Israël. But a Palestinian who had to fled and has lived for all his life in Palestine, who’s ancestors have lived overthere for centuries too, does not have the right to return.
That’s a sixth injustice.

I agree that there is a lot of extremism amongst Palestinians. But what do you expect if you keep on humiliating and economically suffocating a whole people? If you drive people to dispear they usually tend to become extremists.
Israel shows a total contempt for any United Nations resolutions, which strengthens certain palestinian groups in their believe that violence is the only way to get things done.
On top of that, Israël has intentionally encouraged extremism by symbolically insulting the Palestians again and again:Benjamin Netanyahu who took the tunnel under the Al-Aska Mosque, Ariel Sharon who provocates by going to the Temple Mountain….. These kind of actions are totally unnecessary and are only fueling feelings of hate and outrage amongst the Palestinians.

Innocent Israeli civilians died by suicide-bombings, but 800 women and children were slaughtered in Sabra and Chatilla.
And today, in Jenin, the air is filled with the strench of decaying corpses. Families, women and children are burried alive under the ruble of their houses.
This information doesn’t come from a Palestinian propaganda website, but from the United Nations Envoy himself.

Israël claims it has gone into the Palestinian territories to arrest terrorists. But in certain villages they have arrested all the men between 16 and 55, leaving only the women, children and elderly behind.

At the moment, still 5.000 palestinians are detained. Since in Israël certain forms of torture are approved by law, I hold my breath for what with these people might happen.

I condemn all forms of extremism and suicide-bombings, but it is clear that Israël does practically everything to encourage extremism among the palestinian people. Its largely dued to Israël that a minority of Islam-extremists gets the upperhand amongst the Palestinian people.

Israël claims to be a democracy. Yet they do not respect humanitarian law, do net let the neutral red cross in the area and do not let the neutral United Nations observers in certain areas. So, excuse me for being sceptical about any official statement done by the Israëli government or army regarding the situation on the ‘battlefield’.

Thank you for standing on my soapbox here.

P.S.: Certain media describe the whole palestinian people as a bunch of islam extremists, but a large part of the population is in fact christian.

"To give up a large part of the territory" This is not true. Israel is only a small part of the original Palestine that included Jordan. The name of Jordan only appeared in the 50 ties.

In 1967 Israel fought back against a major aggression of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria and conquered the now "occupied" countries. You make it seem as they just walked in to it.
The Palestinians fled, that is correct, because they supported the attack and feared retaliation. They fled to Jordan and tried to overcome the king. They were beat again (BY THEIR MUSLIM BROTHERS) and fled back to Palestine.
I don't see this as OCCUPIED territory but as war tribute, a compensation for the harm done by the aggressors.

Palestinians HAVE self determination, in Jordan. Just, PLO has not.

"Innocent Israeli civilians died by suicide bombings, but 800 women and children were slaughtered in Sabra and Chatilla."

Basically you are saying that it is ok to kill everyone if your people has been killed. First, who killed the Palestinians in Sabra and Chatilla? I thought it were Lebanese christians.
Let me understand you, if someone of your people is killed, you have the right to kill everyone of the people that killed yours. This reasoning would give us as Belgians, the right to kill every German because they killed Belgians in W.W.II, W.W.I. Every Spanish because of the duke of Alva. ..... every Italian because of Julius Ceasar. (points mean French, Dutch, Austrians, and now, Muslims).