Turkish-Cypriots against Rauf Denktas!!!!!!

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The last 2 weeks and especially right after the Copenhagen summit, there have been major demonstrations against Rauf Denktas ( the Turkish-Cypriot leader). Their protest prove once again that the Turkish-Cypriot want to live in peace with Greek-Cypriots in a united island!!! Therefore, the argument used by the Turkish government and the military status, that Turkey protects Turkish-Cypriot from Greek-Cypriots, collapses!!!! I believe that the events took place before and on invasion are pretty much well known! Thus, I’m going to focus my thoughts in the years after invasion and what should happen in the future.
The Turks manage to divide the island and nowadays they occupy almost 38% of the island. Moreover, the occupied areas are better for agricultural activities since the lakes r in that part of the island too. Still, the occupied areas r much less developed than the free part of the island. It seems that the ‘government’ ( no country except Turkey has recognized the occupied part as a country) was very much involved in supporting the occupied forces than people!!!With an annual income more than 10 times less than Greek-Cypriots, Turkish-Cypriots r in terrible economic situation. Unemployment is probably the biggest problem in the occupied areas while the unemployment rate is only 4% in the free areas (one of the lowest within EU). Imagine someone who knows that he or she can live in a better environment but due to his ‘government’ policy he can’t!!! most important it collapses the argument that Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriot hate each other and can’t live together. That was the argument used by the military status to justify the present of the army in the island! And here goes the big question!!!!! Since the Turkish-Cypriots want to be reunited with the Greek-Cypriots and they oppose to Denktas’ policy how come Denktas manage to be the winner of elections??????the answer lies in Turkey’s policy to flood the island with settlers coming from the eastern part of the country, against all international treaties which forbid the above!!!!! In addition, these people are fanatic (the majority r members of the nationalist club of the Grey Wolves). Nowadays there are almost 65000 Turkish-Cypriot and 125000 settlers!!!!!!! A lot of Turkish-Cypriots had to live from the island in order to find somewhere else to live!!!!!!! Denktas until recently( I’ll come to that later) had the support of the Turkish government and the military status!!!it is true that Turkish-Cypriots live in some kind of hostage!!!!! Nice Democracy!!! still, some signs of improvement have appeared!! After Erdogan’s Election but most importantly after Turkey’s failure to blackmail its entry in EU, the government realized that as long as the Cyprus problem is unsolved Turkey will never be allowed in EU ( I believe that Turkey won’t enter either way but let’s say that this is my opinion). This is the reason that the Turkish government tries to find a way to remove Denktas from the political scene!!! A big question is the response of the army!!! Let’s hope that Mr. Erdogan’s opinions will prevail against the military status and see a reunited island in EU.

[politics_student]

First of all,Rauf Denktas isn't only supported by the military and Turkish Government, on the other hand Turkish government(Recep Tayyip)didn't support Rauf Denktas but we the REAL Turkish Nation support him,and we admire him very much because he is the MAN OF HONOR!Why don't you refer to 1963 massacres aginst the Turks,the invasion was the result of that continuing massacres against Turks.If Annan plan would be accepted Turks would be massacred again because some Greeks cannot live in peace and European nations would continue to support the Greeks how they did in 1960s because Greeks know the best(!!)Though they kill they are right(!!)Greece and Europe is the most biggest enemy of my country,However some fools in my country don't see this reality.(the ordinary people knows this reality more)They are mostly those who want to sell the country for their own sakes to Europe, to Greeks.
In any way,Annan plan is the PLAN OF SLAUGHTER,it's plan of forcing Turkish people out from Cyprus.and those who support Annan Plan in the TRNC are mainly Young generation who don't lived 1963 massacres and who looks the world with the pink glasses!and who don't know anything about foreign policy.Greeks should give up with Enosis,and should accept that there are also Turks living in the island,I support that the island would be partitioned equally(though I don't believe it wouldn't be like that)Turkish Nation is proud of Turkish military and Rauf Denktas and we will continue to support them forever!

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<First of all,Rauf Denktas isn't only supported by the military and Turkish Government, on the other hand Turkish government(Recep Tayyip)didn't support Rauf Denktas but we the REAL Turkish Nation support him,and we admire him very much because he is the MAN OF HONOR!>


where are you living boy? You haven’t heard anything of Mr. Erdogan’s statements about Denktash? And what is this ‘we the Turkish nation support Denktsh’?? are you saying that the elected government, has no legitimacy in expressing the states views?? just because they are Islamists (and moderate one)?
Anyway, it is a fact that the country is ruled by the army, so if the army likes him the political world don’t really have a saying on this. That has always been the case in Turkey. due to the forthcoming war in Iraq the military establishment is gaining more power so a solution in Cyprus seems to be postponed for the time.


<Why don't you refer to 1963 massacres aginst the Turks,the invasion was the result of that continuing massacres against Turks.I>

I advise you to open an ‘independent’ historical book referring to that period, and to read my previous posts. It takes time to fully explain the Cyprus events at the time but the bottom line goes like that: It WAS THE Greek dictatorship which tried to impose the same Jounta in Cyprus, which resulted in the killings of not only TC but also to GC. At the time, GC want the union with Greece (Greek-Cypriots constitute the 82% of the population). That was a mistake cause England, the Guarantee power would never allow for such a thing to happen. When the British show that GC are really after their goal they ‘invited’ Turkey in the game (London Treaty) as a threat. Until then by all international treaties Turkey didn’t have and couldn’t have any claim in Cyprus. In the fighting took place a lot of TC died as a lot of GC died too. I guess you have never heard of MTK!!! I guess that you haven’t heard Rauf Denktash verifying that he and his team were responsible for the bomb attacks took place in the TC part of Nicosia just because he wanted an excuse for Turkey to enter?? Oh well these are all facts (unless Denktash was drunk or s/g!!).
I also believe it’s about time to learn that invasion didn’t occur because of these killings!! As you said these killings started in1963, but invasion took place in 1974!!!!!!!!! So sit down and use your brains!!!!! It wasn’t until 1974 that US gave the ‘green light’. Read the book ‘the trial of Henry Kissinger’!!!! (Independent source).


But all these are history!!! Let’s focus to nowadays events.


<If Annan plan would be accepted Turks would be massacred again because some Greeks cannot live in peace and European nations would continue to support the Greeks how they did in 1960s because Greeks know the best(!!)Though they kill they are right(!!)Greece and Europe is the most biggest enemy of my country,However some fools in my country don't see this reality.(the ordinary people knows this reality more)They are mostly those who want to sell the country for their own sakes to Europe, to Greeks>

I guess you made your point!!!! I have nothing more to add!!!! Xe xe xe
Just some info!!!! We are in 2003, Cyprus is a modern western society within EU, with a flowering economy, with millions of tourists every year, etc you must be quite young so it would be better to start thinking using your own thoughts and not follow what the establishment think. In the free parts of the islands currently live more than 750.000 GC and several other minorities, including some TC who fully receive the benefits of being a citizen of the Cyprus republic, without having any problem with their co-patriots.



<In any way,Annan plan is the PLAN OF SLAUGHTER,it's plan of forcing Turkish people out from Cyprus.and those who support Annan Plan in the TRNC are mainly Young generation who don't lived 1963 massacres and who looks the world with the pink glasses!and who don't know anything about foreign policy.Greeks should give up with Enosis,and should accept that there are also Turks living in the island,I support that the island would be partitioned equally(though I don't believe it wouldn't be like that)Turkish Nation is proud of Turkish military and Rauf Denktas and we will continue to support them forever!>

I know that some of the GC have their own doubts about Annan’s plan but boy you r really something!!! But you are right in one thing!!!! It is the young generation who wants the reunion cause these are the people who suffer the most!!!! Sitting in a Turkish coffee shop for 5 hours a day might be ideal for a 70 years old guy but not if you are 18, 20, 25……
Anyway, look at my previous msgs. Maybe you can understand why unification is inevitable to happen. Because it is peoples will. In the last demonstration more than 70.000 took place!!!!

Denktash might be physically present but he can’t do anything to prevail the union, he can only delay it, against the TC interests!!!!

[politics_student]

We the Turkish people don't have any other option as the military to trust,Certainly it's not good that the military is intervening in political issues but in Turkey this must be so.If u go to street in Turkey and ask the people if they fear from fundementalism they would say 'No' if u ask why? they would say 'Because our military would not permit this'Ýf we come to recep tayyip erdogan(RTE)he was elected NOT BY THE MAJORÝTY, most of the people didn't even vote,I also didn't vote because there isn't any politician today in Turkey worth to voting!!Namely there's not any ATATÜRKs,personalities like him to vote.Most of the people that gave their votes to RTE were islamists(because they are very excited for that but on the other hand they were a lot of people who weren't islamists but voted for RTE,as they see no other option or as they think that RTE would not plead in the doors of Europe and US but after RTE was elected they were astonized because RTE belittled Turkey's honor and interests by crying to Europe and US,Most of the Turks detest him.On the other hand RTE is not moderate he SEEMS MODERATE,he is wearing a mask and he doesn't know anything about Foreign policy he said always wrong things like for example he said 'we want a solution in Cyprus according to Belgium model'without knowing what exactly what belgium model is.Briefly according to me Turkey is not ready to eliminate military because it's our gurantee of democracy as THERE ÝS NOT A POWERFUL POLÝTÝCAL SYSTEM.
In the second paragraph,I don't understand some things u said especially about this England thing but I believe too that Greeks suffered but What make me nervous is that it's claimed that Turkish part suffered nothing.In 1960s events began and gained temper in 1973s.EOKA were killing people Turkey asked for help to the other guarantee of the treaty to England but they don't react so Turkey had no other option to intervene.You said US permit Turkey to intervene in 1974,why then US didn't recognize TRNC if they permit for Turkey to intervene in 1974.I dont know exactly if US permit it or not but politics is a game this must be also a game of US.
Certainly is Greek CYprus modern,economically developing because it's RECOGNÝZED it hasn't any setbacks it can trade with other countries.But TRNC is nourished by Turkey like TRNC is a baby and Turkey is its mother Norishing it and I went several times to Northern Cyprus you can't see there any poor people because our country is supporting them very well,they don't even work because they don't need to work as they get ready money from Turkey and now some of them want reunification how they have forgetten the events so rapidly??Even before 2 or 3 years ago some radical groups from Greek side wanted to enter Turkish side for attacking Turkish people with their chains in their hand where a Greek was killed as he try to attack Turkish Flag.Can u imagine them to live with Turks together?There may be also some radical Turks.But I claim Turkish nation is very TOLERANT,For example There were a football match between Grrece and Turkey.Some Greeks came to Ýstanbul for that match but what they do in Ýstanbul?They destroyed the pavement,they threw stones to stores in the street.I can't imagine if one Turk going to Atina so easily and threwing stones to stores!!Greek newspapers would great probability declare 'Ahh BARBAR TURKS have destroyed our stores ahh MAMA Europe help us BEAT turkey'What I want to say with this example is very much related with the Cyprus issue.Yes I understand young generation has hopes,I am also among the young generation, study international relations, I have also hopes to change somethings in this country I have to look for Job but I would not sell my country and my Honor even if I haven't any bread to eat.Young generation has to be powerful ýt has to trust themselves.There's a Turkish saying 'Without having pain you cannot get comfort' Those who demonstrates Rauf Denktaþ should know this.Yes you are right integration is inevitable I don't say something to that.It's inevitable because Big cat always eat the small mouse!!

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<We the Turkish people don't have any other option as the military to trust,Certainly it's not good that the military is intervening in political issues but in Turkey this must be so.If u go to street in Turkey and ask the people if they fear from fundementalism they would say 'No' if u ask why? they would say 'Because our military would not permit this'Ýf we come to recep tayyip erdogan(RTE)he was elected NOT BY THE MAJORÝTY, most of the people didn't even vote,I also didn't vote because there isn't any politician today in Turkey worth to voting!!Namely there's not any ATATÜRKs,personalities like him to vote.Most of the people that gave their votes to RTE were islamists(because they are very excited for that but on the other hand they were a lot of people who weren't islamists but voted for RTE,as they see no other option or as they think that RTE would not plead in the doors of Europe and US but after RTE was elected they were astonized because RTE belittled Turkey's honor and interests by crying to Europe and US,Most of the Turks detest him.On the other hand RTE is not moderate he SEEMS MODERATE,he is wearing a mask and he doesn't know anything about Foreign policy he said always wrong things like for example he said 'we want a solution in Cyprus according to Belgium model'without knowing what exactly what belgium model is.Briefly according to me Turkey is not ready to eliminate military because it's our gurantee of democracy as THERE ÝS NOT A POWERFUL POLÝTÝCAL SYSTEM.>


I hope you are not saying that Turkey needs another Coop, right?
Do a bit of research and you’ll find that the most corrupted institution in Turkey is the army.




<You said US permit Turkey to intervene in 1974,why then US didn't recognize TRNC if they permit for Turkey to intervene in 1974.I dont know exactly if US permit it or not but politics is a game this must be also a game of US.>

indeed, it was another US game. As for your question, let me tell you that after Democracy restoration in Greece, US had no other option. Haven’t you heard of the famous Greek loby in US? Besides even today there are 2 U.N. resolutions that clearly state that invasion and occupation of the island is illegal. It would be naïve to believe that such a ‘state’ could earn recognition



<Certainly is Greek CYprus modern,economically developing because it's RECOGNÝZED it hasn't any setbacks it can trade with other countries.But TRNC is nourished by Turkey like TRNC is a baby and Turkey is its mother Norishing it and I went several times to Northern Cyprus you can't see there any poor people because our country is supporting them very well,they don't even work because they don't need to work as they get ready money from Turkey and now some of them want reunification how they have forgetten the events so rapidly?>.


you’ve been there?? Are you sure?? First of all you should know that Turkey itself is in terrible economic situation (which the forthcoming war in Iraq will make it even worse) and manage to get by due to IMF loans. Loans that for a reason have been given to Turkey but not to Argentina. And why it hasn’t done it so far?? The people you saw not working are probably because there are no working places and not because they don’t need to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Learn that a GC earns 10 times more than his co-patriots. Learn that more than 3.000 TC daily go to the free parts to work since they can earn more and can actually….work!!! Look all economic elements and you’ll see that the occupied areas are among the poorest regions in the world. Why do you think, people so desperately want the unification??


<Even before 2 or 3 years ago some radical groups from Greek side wanted to enter Turkish side for attacking Turkish people with their chains in their hand where a Greek was killed as he try to attack Turkish Flag.Can u imagine them to live with Turks together?There may be also some radical Turks>

The radical Greeks as you call them were people from different countries (bike riders) who cross all over Europe delivering a peace message. If you do a bit research on the net you will find the pictures which show how these guys (2 in the number) died. The show is not that good. The guy tried to bring down the Turkish flag and instead he was shot cold blooded by the ‘minister of agriculure’ of TRNC!!!!!!!! Late that evening Denktash gathered in a grey wolves mitting in Cyprus where he personally congratulate these fascists. Grey wolves were brought to the island and that was already known. I don’t know if you have seen Ali Birrad’s show from the occupied areas in which Mainland Turks and TC ended up fighting?? TC no longer want to live with these fascists. After these fascists kicked of from the island both communities will live and prosper under the same rules.


<But I claim Turkish nation is very TOLERANT,For example There were a football match between Grrece and Turkey.Some Greeks came to Ýstanbul for that match but what they do in Ýstanbul?They destroyed the pavement,they threw stones to stores in the street.I can't imagine if one Turk going to Atina so easily and threwing stones to stores!!>


these are old threads (you can find it if you look for it) but once again. There is a sequence of events that can’t be ignored. When the Greek fans enter the stadium, Turks were throwing stones, chairs and fire lights towards them!!!! Because of the Greek-Turkeish candindancy for the EURO 2008 the story hasn’t been brought in light on Greek TV. Only after 2 weeks of the incident a small Greek TV channel released the video. Further,(and this one could not been hidden ), there was a major poster of Moameth imaging Constantinoupoli under the sign ‘KILL FOR YOU’ . I don’t know how you interpret this but s/g like that it would make me furious. And these poster neede a huge mechanism in order to properly work which means that it was made deliberately. The events followed were exactly as you said!!!! In the rematch there were only 50 Turks in the stadium but nothing happened.



<Yes you are right integration is inevitable I don't say something to that.It's inevitable because Big cat always eat the small mouse!!>


Integration hasn’t been achieved all these years because the military establishment of Turkey made the people believe statements like that. People no longer believe Denktash and no longer trust Turkey. they have trusted her all these years and look where they have ended up. Half of the TC had to live Cyprus in order to find a better place to live, corruption in every practise of the daily life, poverty, embargo and so on.

[politics_student]

Certainly,we don't want another coup,but in Turkey there is something which is not present in your country:There's the intra-enemies who are mostly fundementalists and nowadays a new group has joined these intra-enemies who are we call them in Turkey 'GÝVE-SAVERS'.Like give Cyprus save yourself.They are mostly those who are far from being in Turkish spirit,One of them is 'Mehmet Ali Birand'who has made a programm about Cyprus issue in A University in Greece,TRNC,and Greek part of Cyprus,as you called.Who even don't live in Turkey and held a Belgium passport.Who is the biggest PLÝANT that can sell Turkey to Europe in one second maybe for some dollars!Fortunately Turkey has also some honorable,rational writers like 'Mehmet Emin Çölaþan'who is the most famous writer in the newspaper of 'Hürriyet'and who bitterly criticize M.Ali Birand and these 'GÝVE-SAVERS' THERE ARE

WORSE THAN OUTER-ENEMÝES.For Example RTE has said in one of his speeches: 'We would use democracy to abolish democracy'.This can be a good clue what a bad intention he has but he fears because there is a powerful military.Who would guard Turkey if fundementalists like RTE want to abolish democracy?US?,Europe or Greece? or our PASSIVE,PLÝANT politicians.There's no more ATATÜRKS in Turkey.Today we have PLÝANTS like Mehmet.Ali Birand or fundementalists like RTEs
Yes I heard from the Greek and Armenian lobbies living in US.It's impossible that I cannot heard their voices,it's so strongGreek and Armenian Opera ShowYes there are 2 resolutions one of them don't recognize TRNC I think it was resolution 441,Yes but RECOGNÝTÝON is a political game and thing.Look at Bangladesh it also comes into being through invasion but US and other recognized it.Why?Because Cyprus is strategically very important not only for Turkey and Europe but also For US.
Yes I know that some workers cross the Greek side in order to work but most of them are immigrants from the poor parts of Turkey like southeast Turkey.I don't also say that TRNC is living very prosperous but be sure there are in a better situation than us(living in Turkey)I don't also say that they don't work I dont want generalize all.But there are also some Who gets a good money from Turkey and really don't need to work,some even have no mood to work because they feel themselves locked in this small ghosty island.I have gone TRNC almost 6 times because My brother works there and therefore know TRNC and its people to some extent.TRNC people don't have hopes,I think they have to be active they have to search for their rights.If they are in such a position Europe is guilty,Greece is guilty not Turkey,On the other hand they WANTED THE ÝNVASÝON.They demanded an aid from Turkey in 1974s for saving them from the attacks of EOKA terrorists.Look how talented are the Armenians and Greeks in Opera are. They should also join the Opera.Unfortunately my Nation is like a SHEEP.
In addition I have red today the Turkish newspaper 'Hürriyet' accoýrding to Hürriyet the same news is also published in Greece in the newspaper of 'Ta Nea' and according to the results(a search made in two parts)%50 of the TRNC people don't want a solution within the Annan Plan and %39 of the TRNC people(this is the highest)support Rauf Denktaþ,then comes with %18 M.Ali Talat(I hope he don't come to power)According to the results Greeks are more optimistic regarding the Annan Plan(which astonized me:!)
Briefly,Annan Plan would destroy the Turkish community.If Annan Plan would be accepted the things would began to go worse,the two communities cannot live together we have seen this earlier why then to expect them to live together after 29 years as both are filled with revenge against eachother? As one of Greek politician said I don't remember his name 'Turks and Greeks living together,yes it sounds good,it's hoped,it's demanded but it's impossible'

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<Certainly,we don't want another coup,but in Turkey there is something which is not present in your country:There's the intra-enemies who are mostly fundementalists and nowadays a new group has joined these intra-enemies who are we call them in Turkey 'GÝVE-SAVERS'.Like give Cyprus save yourself.They are mostly those who are far from being in Turkish spirit,One of them is 'Mehmet Ali Birand'who has made a programm about Cyprus issue in A University in Greece,TRNC,and Greek part of Cyprus,as you called.Who even don't live in Turkey and held a Belgium passport.Who is the biggest PLÝANT that can sell Turkey to Europe in one second maybe for some dollars>


I know very well that Turkey faces internal ‘enemies’. Up to a point is normal due to the diversity of the people who now constitute the state of Turkey. What you can’t understand that all these are THE RESULTS of Turkey’s policies since your ‘great leader attaturk’ set up this country. The establishment of the country was based in the idea that we should ‘bare’ the religious and ethnic differences of the people and let’s create the ‘Turkish conscience’. In order to achieve this, attaturk oppressed these group of people. the same policy applies even today. It is inevitable for Turkey to experience these riots. In my point of view the advantage of Turkey (have all these people in her groung) has become her biggest threat because of the states policies i.e. the army. Lokk at US!!! They also have many ethnic groups in their ground (who make up the state of US) and they had also their time of fightings due to inappropriate treatment of these groups. As soon as US ‘Democratised’, Conflicts ended. As long as Turkey continues the same policy and refuse to progress in a true Democratisation of the country, the threat will always be there.



<.Look at Bangladesh it also comes into being through invasion but US and other recognized it.Why?Because Cyprus is strategically very important not only for Turkey and Europe but also For US.>


I am not very familiar with this Bangladesh thing, but I can’t understand how the strategic position can be an obstacle for recognising ‘TRNC’!!!!!!
The truth is that these decisions have been in practise long before invasion and by invasion they just been activated!!!


<I don't also say that TRNC is living very prosperous but be sure there are in a better situation than us(living in Turkey)>

you know Denktash in his recent statements (in order to ease peoples’ anger) he said that Turkey will help financially the TC!!!!!!! I guess in the same way it did all these years!!!


<Who gets a good money from Turkey and really don't need to work,some even have no mood to work because they feel themselves locked in this small ghosty island>

the occupied areas are among the very places of the world that corruption rules (recall the recent BBC show). The fact that the northern part is a ghost island is another reason which forced TC to ask their independence from Turkey



.<TRNC people don't have hopes,I think they have to be active they have to search for their rights.If they are in such a position Europe is guilty,Greece is guilty not Turkey>

I know that they have the hope of unification and hence their entrance inside EU. Now where do you base this claim?? Even Mr.Erdogan admitted several times that Turkey’s policies as far as Cyprus concerns is a mistake!!!!! the occupied areas are under the Turkish rule so don’t look for scapegoats!!! It would be better to face the truth regardless of your former believes!!!!


<I have red today the Turkish newspaper 'Hürriyet' accoýrding to Hürriyet the same news is also published in Greece in the newspaper of 'Ta Nea' and according to the results(a search made in two parts)%50 of the TRNC people don't want a solution within the Annan Plan and %39 of the TRNC people(this is the highest)support Rauf Denktaþ,then comes with %18 M.Ali Talat(I hope he don't come to power)According to the results Greeks are more optimistic regarding the Annan Plan(which astonized me:!)>

a lot of GC disagree with the current form of the Annan plan (me too in some extend). The Annan plan even it is accepted in its current form it will be changeable since it is another thing in drawing lines than try to live with those.

As for the TC don’t be surprised!!!!! Nowadays, the majority of the population who live in the occupied areas are mainland Turks, rather than TC!!!! You see Ankara has design its policies very well. Almost half of the TC population had to migrate in Europe (mostly) because of the circumstances. Last week in some of the major cities of the world GC and TC demonstrated together asking for re-union.


<Briefly,Annan Plan would destroy the Turkish community.If Annan Plan would be accepted the things would began to go worse,the two communities cannot live together we have seen this earlier why then to expect them to live together after 29 years as both are filled with revenge against eachother? As one of Greek politician said I don't remember his name 'Turks and Greeks living together,yes it sounds good,it's hoped,it's demanded but it's impossible'>

of course things can be very different!!! After union both communities will be citizens of EU, the TC income will be rapidly and highly rise, trade will establish strong economic relations and so on. The reason is that we are in 2003. and since there is that possibility the human law states that we should move to that direction. (that was kind of literate but still…. Xe xe)

[politics_student]

Atatürk only oppressed the fundementalists and he had no other option to oppress them in these years because they killed a lot of secular people on the other hand some people were in the side of the sultan namely they were against Turkish nationalism.Atatürk set up the Turkish Republic.He himself gave the women rights(briefly rights to be considered as a human being!),he sustained freedom of all the people to practice their religion(christians,jews,etc..),He activated the economy,he even normalised relations with Greece(Venizelos),he diminished unemployment,etc..If I can attend the university,I can vote,if even I can write here in this page my opinions I owe to him!Of course he had made some mistakes,he may have made we the Turks say 'There's no mankind without fault'But he had done good things for Turkey as he died Turkey was in a very good situation the economy was good,people were more prosperous but after all demolished not because of him?but because of the coming politicians because of the coming passive,fearful politicians.Even today when I met some old people who had lived in the period of Atatürk.They say me how good these old days were.We wait always For a person like 'Ataturk' to come and reign namely 'secular,democratic,coaregous,peace-oriented,rational and clever'
What I wanted to say is that US and its allies didn't recognize TRNC not because they found its establishment unlawful but because its better that the island is hold by Greeks as Greece is a christian or orthodox(I don't know exactly) and a European country is,by using Greece they can reach their aims more easily like for example England!(They think so)If Cyprus were a landlocked country all were recognize TRNC then the invasion would be lawful
Yes theres economic aid coming from Turkey,but what can Turkey do other than that it has to help the people there and sustain them in order to impede migration from the island. RTE!I don't care what he saidEverybody laughs what he say.As I said before He don't even know what foreign policy is.Yes TRNC people would be united under European umbrellaThis is another game of Europe!Their aim is to evacuate the island from the Turks.According to Annan Plan most of the people from Greek side could have the right to demand their former homes.On the other other most of the souls(and these are the most efficient)would be given only to Greek side.The Turks would be obliged to leave their homes and what they would do then?This would also led to migration apart from the attacks of Radical Greeks.I don't want to say that there would not be a solution but there should be an equitable solution and I disagree with these unification think I don't believe that the 2 communities can live together.If Annan plan would be accepted there would be attacks from radical Grreks and radical Turks and this would led even to more bad greek-turkish relations.

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<If I can attend the university,I can vote,if even I can write here in this page my opinions I owe to him>

End of discussion, you should grow up a bit first up to the point to be able to understand that you are what you make of your self and not what attaturk did 70 years ago.

[politics_student]

LAST WORD: I am and the other young Turkish Generation are don`t stuck in the period of Ataturk we look to future not to the past but we appreciate Ataturk very much as he had said `Turkish Youth is the defender of the country` and we are here to defend the country against PLIANTS,PRIERS SELLERS like RTEs and Birands who can sell the country and especially this days TRNC to Europe and Greece.

[moods]

Yes!!!!

R.Denktash has kicked the spanish journalist seeking to identify the Real Voice of Turksih Cypriots and their vision for the future. By the same way S.Hussein has kicked the UN inspectors seeking to identify the capability of Iraq to produce WMD.

R.Denktash have kept his community hostaged upon international isolation and embargos by the same way S. Hussein has kept Iraqi people hostaged upon international Embargos and isolation.

R.Denktash decides against the willingness and strong desire of his community for Peace , growth , freedom and democracy.S.Hussein also acted in similar ways.

CONCLUSION -- Rauf Denktash= S.Hussein THey Are Both
Dictators.

He will be the Next target of USA of removing from power. R. Denktash violates the basic human Rights of TurksihCypriots who are kept hostaged upon International Isolation and condemnation.

[moods]

If Ataturk was alive now in Turkey, he would defenitely kill this Dictator R.Denkatsh who has damaged so HARD the OUTLOOK of Turkey Internationally. And his actions are directly affecting NEGATIVELY turkeys direction to Europe.

The main principle of attaturk was to transform Turkey to a european country not an African country!

[hakancan]

yeah my ignorant friend if Ataturk was alive now, he would not kill anybody since he has respected to laws. Also my friend you are very ignorant about the principles of Ataturk!!! the main principle of Ataturk was independence!!! not licking some other asses!!! Also Ataturk transformed Turkey to a well civilized country not a europeen country and also being civilized isnt being europeen. and also if he was alive now, he would never want turkey to enter eu since they are trying to divide turkey.since they are using every opportunity they get to ensure turkey doesnt grow. since they are helping terrorist to kill innocent people.since they are overlooking the abuses of their own members. also he rejected all kinds of mandates!!! also he would definitely withdraw turkey from trade union and other bloodsucker capitulations!!!

[kotu_kedi]

Gee I see lots of BS flew around while I was away.

Who are you guys to put a "dictator" label to a CONSEQUTIVELY elected president ?

Are you guys blind enough to ignore the will of people, or are you just so full of hatred?

Ofcourse I am sure you'd label him freedom-lover if he had bent over and gave up Turkish Cypriots' rights.

[moods]

Actually yes in the past he has been accused of manipulating VOTES. So the outcome of the elections NEVER were representative of the Turksihcypriots. By importing so many settlers and by giving them citizenships and similar kind of Benefits he wanted to assure always to be elected. At the same time he close his eyes on all those Turksihcypriots that have immigrated. AND how can you explain he has been LEADER for more than 30 Years with NO REPLACEMENT.Why?

I heard yesterday Mr Gull (M.of foreeign Affairs of Turkey) to intervene and giving guidelines that this TIME the OUTcome of the elections on December to be FAIR And DEMOCRATIC. This is the only time that Officially Turkey has intervened to secure the Democratic process of the elections.

ALSO I heard an interview with the former ministry of Turkey Mr Turkman , to disagree with the Current policies of Denktash. (Sorry guys For me will be a Dictator). But any way He is so OLD( 80 years old) . How this man being so old conceive the VISION of the Turksihcypriot youths.

AND for anyone with Open mind Anan Plan give rights to Turkishcypriots that this Dictator was so blind to OBSERVE. There are many turkishcypriots politicians who favour the Anan Plan.