Genocides

[genocide]

FACT SHEET: ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
KNIGHTS OF VARTAN ARMENIAN RESEARCH CENTER
The University of Michigan-Dearborn
Dearborn, MI 48128


The Armenian Genocide was carried out by the "Young Turk" government of the Ottoman Empire in 1915-1916 (with subsidiaries to 1922-23). One and a half million Armenians were killed, out of a total of two and a half million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire.
Most Armenians in America are children or grandchildren of the survivors, although there are still many survivors amongst us.

Armenians all over the world commemorate this great tragedy on April 24, because it was on that day in 1915 when 300 Armenian leaders, writers, thinkers and professionals in Constantinople (present day Istanbul) were rounded up, deported and killed. Also on that day in Constantinople, 5,000 of the poorest Armenians were butchered in the streets and in their homes.

The Armenian Genocide was masterminded by the Central Committee of the Young Turk Party (Committee for Union and Progress [Ittihad ve Terakki Cemiyet, in Turkish]) which was dominated by Mehmed Talât [Pasha], Ismail Enver [Pasha], and Ahmed Djemal [Pasha]. They were a racist group whose ideology was articulated by Zia Gökalp, Dr. Mehmed Nazim, and Dr. Behaeddin Shakir.

The Armenian Genocide was directed by a Special Organization (Teshkilati Mahsusa) set up by the Committee of Union and Progress, which created special "butcher battalions," made up of violent criminals released from prison.

Some righteous Ottoman officials such as Celal, governor of Aleppo; Mazhar, governor of Ankara; and Reshid, governor of Kastamonu, were dismissed for not complying with the extermination campaign. Any common Turks who protected Armenians were killed.

The Armenian Genocide occurred in a systematic fashion, which proves that it was directed by the Young Turk government.

First the Armenians in the army were disarmed, placed into labor battalions, and then killed.

Then the Armenian political and intellectual leaders were rounded up on April 24, 1915, and then killed.

Finally, the remaining Armenians were called from their homes, told they would be relocated, and then marched off to concentration camps in the desert between Jerablus and Deir ez-Zor where they would starve and thirst to death in the burning sun.

On the march, often they would be denied food and water, and many were brutalized and killed by their "guards" or by "marauders." The authorities in Trebizond, on the Black Sea coast, did vary this routine: they loaded Armenians on barges and sank them out at sea.

The Turkish government today denies that there was an Armenian genocide and claims that Armenians were only removed from the eastern "war zone." The Armenian Genocide, however, occurred all over Anatolia [present-day Turkey], and not just in the so-called "war zone." Deportations and killings occurred in the west, in and around Ismid (Izmit) and Broussa (Bursa); in the center, in and around Angora (Ankara); in the south-west, in and around Konia (Konya) and Adana (which is near the Mediterranean Sea); in the central portion of Anatolia, in and around Diyarbekir (Diyarbakir), Harpout (Harput), Marash, Sivas (Sepastia), Shabin Kara-Hissar (þebin Karahisar), and Ourfa (Urfa); and on the Black Sea coast, in and around Trebizond (Trabzon), all of which are not part of a war zone. Only Erzeroum, Bitlis, and Van in the east were in the war zone.

The Armenian Genocide was condemned at the time by representatives of the British, French, Russian, German, and Austrian governments—namely all the major Powers. The first three were foes of the Ottoman Empire, the latter two, allies of the Ottoman Empire. The United States, neutral towards the Ottoman Empire, also condemned the Armenian Genocide and was the chief spokesman in behalf of the Armenians.

The American people, via local Protestant missionaries, did the most to save the wretched remnants of the death marches, the orphaned children.

Despite Turkish denial, there is no doubt about the Armenian Genocide. For example, German ambassador Count von Wolff-Metternich, Turkey's ally in World War I, wrote his government in 1916 saying: "The Committee [of Union and Progress] demands the annihilation of the last remnants of the Armenians and the [Ottoman] government must bow to its demands."

German consuls stationed in Turkey, including Vice Consul Max Erwin von Scheubner-Richner of Erzerum [Erzurum] who was Adolf Hitler's chief political advisor in the 1920s, were eyewitnesses. Hitler said to his generals on the eve of sending his Death's Heads units into Poland, "Go, kill without mercy . . . who today remembers the annihilation of the Armenians."

Henry Morgenthau Sr., the neutral American ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, sent a cable to the U.S. State Department in 1915:

"Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing and from harrowing reports of eye witnesses [sic] it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion."
Morgenthau's successor as Ambassador to Turkey, Abram Elkus, cabled the U.S. State Department in 1916 that the Young Turks were continuing an ". . . unchecked policy of extermination through starvation, exhaustion, and brutality of treatment hardly surpassed even in Turkish history."

Only one Turkish government, that of Damad Ferit Pasha, has ever recognized the Armenian genocide. In fact, that Turkish government held war crimes trials and condemned to death the major leaders responsible.

The Turkish court concluded that the leaders of the Young Turk government were guilty of murder. "This fact has been proven and verified." It maintained that the genocidal scheme was carried out with as much secrecy as possible. That a public facade was maintained of "relocating" the Armenians. That they carried out the killing by a secret network. That the decision to eradicate the Armenians was not a hasty decision, but "the result of extensive and profound deliberations."

Ismail Enver Pasha, Ahmed Cemal Pasha, Mehmed Talât Bey, and a host of others were convicted by the Turkish court and condemned to death for "the extermination and destruction of the Armenians."

The Permanent People's Tribunal recognized the Armenian Genocide on April 16, 1984.

The European Parliament voted to recognize the Armenian Genocide on June 18, 1987.

President Bush issued a news release in 1990 calling on all Americans to join with Armenians on April 24 in commemorating "the more than a million Armenian people who were victims."

President Clinton issued a news release on April 24, 1994, to commemorate the "tragedy" that befell the Armenians in 1915.

The Russian Duma (the lower house of the bicameral Russian legislature) voted on April 20, 1994, to recognize the Armenian Genocide.

Israel officially condemned the Armenian Genocide as Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Yossi Beilin proclaimed on the floor of the Knesset (the Israeli legislature), on April 27, 1994, in answer to the claims of the Turkish Ambassador, that "It was not war. It was most certainly massacre and genocide, something the world must remember."

The Armenian genocide is similar to the Jewish holocaust in many respects. Both people adhere to an ancient religion. Both were religious minorities of their respective states. Both have a history of persecution. Both have new democracies. Both are surrounded by enemies. Both are talented and creative minorities who have been persecuted out of envy and obscurantism.

Issues:


The Republic of Turkey must cease to be the only major country in the world to deny the Armenian Genocide.

The Republic of Turkey must show good will by allowing American aid to present-day Armenia to pass through unhindered.

The Republic of Turkey must cease to train Azerbaijani soldiers in Turkey for the purpose of attacking Armenia.
April 3, 1996

http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armeni.../genocide.html

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AN OVERALL ASSESSMENT OF MASSACRES BY ARMENIANS

The committees such as "Kara Hac / Black Cross", "Armenakan" and "Vatan Koruyuculari / Land Protectors " in Anatolia, " Hinchak " in Geneva, "Tasnak" in Tiblisi, were founded by the Armenians. Their targets were lands in the Eastern Anatolia and the union of the Ottoman Armenians.

The Armenian committees were provoked for this purpose, first they rioted in 1890 in Erzurum, afterwards they organized the Kumkapi demonstration, Kayseri, Yozgat, Corum and Merzifon events, Sasun revolt, Bab-i Ali / Sublime Porte demonstration, Zeytun and Van revolts, The raid of Osmanli Bankasi / Ottoman Bank, assassination trial to Sultan Abdülhamit, and Adana revolt in 1909. Due to the Armenian oppressions, 100 Turks in Zeytun in 1914, 3.000 Turks in Van events in 1915, and 20.000 Turks lost their lives 1914 — 1915, in Mus Events.

Armenians gave the greatest harm to the Turkish people, by the massacring them during the First World War. In this period, the Armenians spied for the Russians, they fled from their military service, by not obeying the mobilisation orders, and those Armenians who were taken under arms joining onto the Russian Army, with their arms, and they thus committed collectively the guilt of being “ treacherous to the land “. The Armenian bands that started to attack the Turkish Army and these bands have given great harm to the civilian people, as well. For example, the whole population of the Zeve village of the Van province massacred by the Armenian people without discriminating if they were women, children, or the old.

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The article is from
http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/engli...assesment.html
this is a typical pan-turk propaganda saite and has no creditability.

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ASSYRIAN UNIVERSAL ALLIANCE

Presentation On The Assyrian Genocide In Mesopotamia During 1914 - 1918 And Onward At The Executive Meeting Of The Local Government Association of New South Wales on 2 August 02.


Mr. Chairman,

when history speaks about a massacre or a genocidal crime against a nation, it speaks about one specific tragic event causing the death of thousands or hundreds of thousands of their people. When the subject is the Assyrians, history speaks about hundreds of such massacres and genocides throughout the last 2500 years.
Since the collapse of the Assyrian Empire in 612 BC, colonization of their lands by various powers has been a common occurrence, with each wave of such colonisation causing more land losses, more human losses and more tragedies for the Assyrians.
However, it was the dominance of the Ottomans Empire from the Fifteenth Century to the first part of the twentieth century, which completely reshaped the destiny of the Assyrian people. Those few millions who had withstood the melting process of the millennia, and had remained homogeneous in their ancestral homeland, became the victims of one of the worst Assyrian genocides in the early part of the 20th century.
In 1842 Assyrians living in the mountains of Hakkari faced a massive attack, which resulted in the death of tens of thousands of Christian Assyrians.
1895-1896, witnessed the Assyrian massacres in Diyarbakir, Hasankeyef, Sivas and other parts of Anatolia, by Sultan Abdul Hamid II. These attacks caused the death of over 55,000 Assyrians and the forced Ottomanisation of a further 100,000 Assyrians - the inhabitants of 245 villages. A further 100,000 Assyrian women and children were forced into Turkish harems. The Turkish troops looted the remains of the Assyrian settlements. Assyrians were raped, tortured and murdered.
Although, as noted, in the nineteenth century several massacres against Assyrians took place none matched the brutality of the genocide of 1915. In 1911, the Young Turk "Committee for Unity and Progress" declared its goal to "Turkify" all Ottoman subjects. This implementation of the Pan-Turkic program and ideology can be described as the "Dark Period" of ethnic and religious "cleansing" of the Assyrians, Greeks and Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. According to admissions by the Ottoman Home Office Minister, the Young Turks' Committee and the Ottoman leaders, Enver, Talat and Jamal Pashas, the pretext of war was to be used to justify the Turkish drive towards ethnic cleansing, without fear of international condemnation and political reprisals. Consequently, the systematic extermination of the Assyrian people, which continues to this day, has caused the population in that region, previously numbering millions, to diminish to a mere few thousand. These few Assyrians today fight to remain free in their traditional homeland.
Persecution of the Assyrians on the Ottoman territory began as early as August 1914, reaching its first high point between January and April 1915. According to the German academic, Dr Gabriele Yonan it was several months before the start of the actual deportations from the Armenian provinces where Assyrian also resided. The Assyrian genocide was therefore the first genocide of the 20th century.
Prior to WWI Assyrians lived as one nation numbering millions and inhabiting about 750 villages across the Taurus Mountains, Tur Abdin, Hakkari, Botan and Tigris areas. Assyrians also lived in the larger towns of Urhai, Diyarbakir, Mardin, Mosul Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus.
When Turkey entered the war in November 1914, the Assyrians were filled with hope. Those that lived in Turkish Mesopotamia and Persia thought that liberation was imminent. It was a time of promises for an independent statehood in the sacred soil of their ancestors. To that end, Assyrians subjected to hundreds of years of continuous persecution and massacres, sided with the allies for protection, first with the Russians from May 1915 to October 1917, then with the British forces following the Bolshevik Revolution. Instead of liberation they were subjected to the genocide of their people, and the loss of more than two-thirds of their then estimated 1.5 million populations.
Documents, historical materials and diaries of eye witness accounts convey of the bludgeoning of little children with stones, dismembered bodies of women and girls who refused to be raped, the beheading of men, those who refused to convert to Islam and the burning and skinning alive of priests, nuns and deacons.
In September 1914, the Baku newspaper reported the fiery destruction of some 30 Assyrian villages and the death of over 200 Assyrians who were burned alive.
In Tur-Abdin 12,000 Ottoman soldiers, looted the village of Aynvardo and killed all its inhabitants. The attack resulted in a struggle lasting 2 months and 6 days as the Assyrians fought back in defence.
Reports about the attack on Midyat tell of blood pouring down from the roof gutters of every house.
In Seyrd Assyrians were rounded up like cattle and made to march for days in the harsh climate. Women, children and the elderly, were subjected to beatings, rapes and constant abuse. Those that became too weak to walk were killed.
In the village of Gardienne, eyewitnesses speak about the attack on the elderly with spears and swords, the burning of churches, the raping and taking of women, the slaughtering of those refusing conversion to Islam.
Eyewitnesses from the villages of the Tkhuma region tell of the brutal killings of Assyrians by the Turkish swords and the finding of killed loved ones along the way as they attempted to escape the swords and daggers.
Newspapers report about the attacks on the villages of Hakkari mountain and the murdering of every Assyrian villager in the 30 settlements of the Gjavar region.
Diyarbakir reports tell of piercing of priests' noses with rings used to be dragged chains in streets, the slashing of pregnant women wombs, the throwing of babies against walls and of women committing suicide so as to avoid brutal rapes by the soldiers. Properties and lands were confiscated and even graves were upturned.
Eyewitness accounts about the Assyrian genocide are voluminous but restriction of time permits me to only provide selected examples to demonstrate the terrific and horrific ways by which the Ottoman soldiers attacked, killed and destroyed Assyrians. No mercy was spared on women children or the elderly. Killings of the clergy and community leaders were carried out publicly to instill fear and weakness into the Assyrian community before their slaughter, their forced conversion or their forced deportation from their ancestral homelands.
By October 1914, the daily number of refugees to Urmia and regions of Iran had begun. Ironically there was a very strong Turkish force presence in Urmia. Assyrians relying on the presence of the Russian troops in the same region took the unavoidable risk, only to soon learn of the sudden withdrawal of the Russian troops. Pleadings by, and on behalf of, Assyrians to the Russians for help went unanswered.
The result was the continued demolition of Assyrian settlements and further reports of murder of men women and children. Several hundred thousand Assyrian women and children took the desperate journey on the snowy mountains, which lasted a month. Countless numbers failed to get through.
Those Assyrians who were still alive began a long journey from Urmia to Russia. It is reported that 40,000 Assyrians were riddled with famine and disease and the constant sight of dead and dying refugees along the way.
The start of the Russian revolution in 1917 lead to the disintegration and the withdrawal of the Russian army and the Turkish preparation for the taking of Azarbaijan. More Turks went to Urmia to exterminate more Christians, among them Assyrians. Assyrians had to leave again and this time to Hamadan. Along the way attacks and death continued. That journey records 50,000 people dead.
Despite the loss of more than two thirds of their population between 1914 and 1918 this dark event in Assyrian history has been inadequately termed as the "genocide of the Armenians." This is partly because the historical writings and the strands of journalistic and academic evidence about the Assyrian genocide have been ignored.
One of the most important documents is the work of the British Secretary for Foreign Affairs, James Bryce, who in his book The Treatment of the Armenians and the Assyrians in the Ottoman Empire (London 1916) includes 21 documents substantiating the crimes committed against the Assyrians as well as eye witness accounts of the genocide in Turkey and Persia during WW1. This was despite the fact that Bryce's assistant Arnold Toynbee, who compiled the documents, failed to include more than 100 pages of detailed reports on the Assyrians as well as documents presented to the Paris Peace Conference (1920).
A very significant number of documents exist in the German material archives relating to the Assyrian genocide which have hitherto remained unpublished even though Johannes Lepsius (the German theologian, missionary and founder of the German Mission to the Orient) had at his disposal all these documents, could have he chose to ignore Assyrians, making his focal point the Armenians, when he produced two publications containing material about the political links between Imperial Germany and the extermination policy of the Young Turks. Despite his neglect of a proper consideration of the Assyrian massacres Lepsius' reporting and documentation are adequate enough to support that Assyrians among Armenians suffered the same fate.
Further evidence of the Assyrian genocide is found in the writings including letters reports and dairy entries of the American Committee of Armenian and Syrian Relief (ACASR), a committee created in the wake of the news from the American missionaries who worked among the Assyrians in Northwest Persia.
Although Fridjof Nansen, High Commissioner for Refugees for the League of Nations, failed to mention the Assyrian tragedy in his well known book (A People Deceived - a Study Trip through Georgia and Armenia), his successor, John H Simpson in his extensive report on refugees (The Refugee Problem: A Report of a Survey, London 1939) devoted chapter IV of his report to the Assyrian refugees.
There are other documents and articles published during and following the First World War. Then there are the writings of the Archbishop of Canterbury whose mission it was to instill a sense of political responsibility in the consciousness of the English public regarding the Assyrian tragedy. Similarly Lord Curzon presented the Assyrian question to the British Parliament and to the Press, in a serious effort to ensure that Assyrian representatives would be admitted to the Paris Peace Conference.
There are also a number of books published by Assyrian writers in English and French, which contain personal reports by eye witnesses (see inter alia J. Naayem, Paris 1920; Y.H. Shabaz, Philadelphia 1918; P. Shimmon, London 1916; Surma d' Bet Mar Shimun, London 1920; A. Yohannan, London 1916).
It is also important to mention the writings by the German Lutheran mission from Hermannsburg, as well as other small German aid societies, which had contact with the Assyrians between the turn of the century and First World War. These hitherto missing document have now been discovered in the archives of the Hermannsburg mission.
An Assyrian war diary discovered in Tehran in 1964 contains very detailed reports on the regional events in the Hakkari Highlands and the border of Turkey and Persia. Some parts of this diary have been used as a source for the book by Rudolf Macuch (History of Late and Modern Syriac Literature- Berlin, 1976). However, despite its title, its significance lies more on the subject of the Assyrian suffering during the First World War in the specific regions.
In the national archives of the United Kingdom, France and the U.S.A., there is a plethora of documents related to the genocide against Assyrians. The Diplomatic French archives alone include 45 volumes on the Assyro-Chaldean question from 1915 to 1940.
In addition to the above mentioned sources there are countless documentary material in the state archives of the former Soviet Union which until recently had remained inaccessible.
While such indisputable evidence does exist, academics and historians have only in the last two decades or so, undertaken research to write about the Assyrian genocide, and until the seminal book by Dr Gabriele Yonan, entitled "The Forgotten Holocaust", no systematic research was carried out. Assyrians being subjected to more massacres and genocides in the aftermath of WWI, and being stateless (unlike the Armenians and the Greeks), have not been able to conduct such extensive research themselves nor to lobby effectively for the acknowledgment and recognition of their genocide.
In the aftermath of the war, the Treaty of Sevres, signed by the allies in August 1920 and which granted some protection to the Assyrians was never ratified. Subsequently, the Treaty of Lausanne signed in July 1923, gave recognition to the nascent Turkish Republic, provided for some protection of minority rights but with no specific reference to the Assyrians.
By now the Mountains of Hakkari and all other towns and villages, the Assyrians had lived in for thousands of years were denuded of all Assyrian remnants. Left with no other alternative, Assyrians followed the British troops to Mesopotamia, only to realize by December 1925, that the League of Nations allocated the Province of Mosul to the new Iraqi Kingdom of Iraq. The British mandate was lifted in October 1932 and Iraq became independent.
With no effective guarantees for the protection of their rights, extermination followed. 7 August 1933 was the beginning of a systematic effort of the Iraqi authorities aiming to destroy this nation, be it by massacre, by forceful displacement from their ancient and only remaining homeland, by political assassinations, by genocide of the Assyrian identity, and its cultural and linguistic heritage. After all, Assyrians are the erectors of that great civilization, and the most legitimate claimants for autonomy and land.
Allow me to read one account, which described the Simile massacre in the book titled "The Assyrian Tragedy":
"�cThe inoffensive population was indiscriminately massacred�cwith rifle revolver and machine gunfire. In one room alone eighty-one men�cwere barbarously massacred�cpriests were tortured and their bodies mutilated. Those who showed their Iraqi Nationality papers were the first to be shot. Girls were raped and women made to march naked before the Arab army commander. Holy Books were used as fuel for burning girls. Children were run over by military cars. Pregnant women were bayoneted. Children were flung to the air and pierced on the points of bayonets. Those that survived in other villages were now exposed to constant raids�c Forced conversion of men and women was the next process. Refusal was met with death. Sixty five out of ninety five Assyrian villages and settlements were either sacked, destroyed or burnt to the ground."
The Simile massacre was the price paid for the neglect of the Assyrian question following the genocide of the Assyrians during WWI. The present persecution and forced displacement of Assyrians by the Iraqi regime is the result of the continuing apathy of the international community towards the Assyrian question and the neglect of the genocide of Assyrians. So is the fact that whereas the Assyrian population in Turkey previously numbering millions has now diminished to a mere few thousand. So is the fact that Assyrians in the last few decades have increasingly sought refuge to the west and who today live predominantly in the Diaspora.
The international decree should not be to eliminate Assyrians from history. They should not be considered as a people who disappeared off the face of the earth at the time of the collapse of their empire. They are the original people of Mesopotamia and the legitimate remnants of the first recognized and documented civilization that was responsible for the development of almost every initial component of the modern civilization. Assyrians were also among the first people to adopt Christianity, to build the early churches and to go onto missions to Asia.
As a consequence of actions taken by powerful oppressors such as the Ottoman Turks and the Iraqi regimes, with their intention of race purification, Assyrians today have been forced to live as stateless people in the Diaspora. Assyrians hope that countries such as Turkey harbouring such a past will be compelled to evaluate their past with objectivity and humanitarianism so that future evils may be forestalled. The continuation of Turkey's denial demonstrated by the construction of the mausoleum in Ankara in honor of the principal architect of the genocide Talat Pasha, however, requires Assyrians to appeal to the world to treat this as an international question. It is the moral responsibility of the international community to recognize this historical injustice.
On 17 April 1997 the Parliament of NSW passed an historic motion condemning the Armenian genocide, which commenced in 1915. To acknowledge such an evil act was a sacred decision, not only in commemorating the lives of the Armenians who perished in that same genocide but also to increase human awareness of the lasting effects that such tragedies cause upon the lives of the generations that follow.
In acknowledging the Armenian genocide the then member for Ermington, Mr Photios stated that "in the very least the Turkish Government should pause, remember and admit-in much the same way that Modern Germany has in large measure faced up to the reality of the Jewish genocide by Adolf Hitler. There is in the hearts and minds of fellow human beings a great void in the absence of that admission and that apology.
For the Assyrians the operation of that reality is contingent upon the international recognition of the Assyrian genocide during WWI and the consequences that flowed and continue to flow from its non-recognition.
Most Assyrians in Australia live in New South Wales, the majority residing in the Fairfield, Liverpool and Randwick areas. Assyrians have played a significant role in shaping the very cosmopolitan culture of these cities. The community has achieved much in the short time since its migration to Australia in the 1970s. They have built churches and a cathedral; they have built local community and sports clubs. They have set up various social academic and cultural organizations. They have now built the first Assyrian private school in Fairfield being the first also in the Western world. In less than 35 years, thousands have graduated from universities and colleges. Assyrian businesses employ thousands of workers and professionals. Assyrians appreciate the value of citizenship in Australia and consider themselves even more privileged to be living in what they recognize as being the best city of the world-Sydney. This vibrant community cannot however cease mourning its tragic past when its people remember that they are the children and grandchildren of those who even to date have vivid memories of the horrific events of a genocide that shaped their present status as a stateless nation. Today, Assyrians live in a multitude of countries in the Diaspora. They do not have a choice of living in an Assyrian homeland. There is no Assyria. For the Assyrians here home is Australia. It is in this context and in the context of universal human rights that the Assyrian community, as part of the Australian community pleads that this ethnic, religious and cultural genocide of their people be acknowledged and recognized.

Suzy David
Deputy Secretary General
Assyrian Universal Alliance

http://aanf.org/midwest/aug2002/auanewswatch01.htm

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HEY HEY WATCH IT MAN!

FOR ME YOUR SOURCES HAVE NO CREDIBALITY. THE TURKS YOU ARMENIANS MASSACRED IN THE EAST, AND IN MUSUL AND KERKUK ARE NOT FORGOTTEN!!!!! YOUR POOR PROPAGANDA AND FRENCH-ASS KISSING HAS SHOWN A GREAT DEAL OF POTENTIAL THOUGH!

IT WAS A RELOCATION, MANY TURKS DIED, MANY ARMENIANS DIED. IF ARMENIA HAD NOT SIDED WITH RUSSIA, AND FOUGHT AGAINST HTE OTTOMAN EMPIRE, SUCH EVENTS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE!!!! THERE WERENT EVEN 1 MILLION TURKS TO COMMIT THAT GENOCIDE FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!

YOUR SOURCES ARE ARMENIAN PROPAGANDA, STOP TRYING TO BRAINWASH. AND STOP KILLING AZERBAIJANIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by ASertug
HEY HEY WATCH IT MAN!

FOR ME YOUR SOURCES HAVE NO CREDIBALITY. THE TURKS YOU ARMENIANS MASSACRED IN THE EAST, AND IN MUSUL AND KERKUK ARE NOT FORGOTTEN!!!!! YOUR POOR PROPAGANDA AND FRENCH-ASS KISSING HAS SHOWN A GREAT DEAL OF POTENTIAL THOUGH!

IT WAS A RELOCATION, MANY TURKS DIED, MANY ARMENIANS DIED. IF ARMENIA HAD NOT SIDED WITH RUSSIA, AND FOUGHT AGAINST HTE OTTOMAN EMPIRE, SUCH EVENTS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE!!!! THERE WERENT EVEN 1 MILLION TURKS TO COMMIT THAT GENOCIDE FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!

YOUR SOURCES ARE ARMENIAN PROPAGANDA, STOP TRYING TO BRAINWASH. AND STOP KILLING AZERBAIJANIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

It does not matter what you think,but what is the truth or what the world knows.And thank God that people like you are minority in this world.Only turks deny the Genocide.
You say my source is 'Armenian propaganda'??I didn't know that the University of Michigan was Armenian.Hahahahaha!!!
All you can do is cite a Turkish source and say that they are saying the truth.Keep on living in a fools' paradise.
But the fact that the whole world is criticising the Turks wont change.If you want to speak about 'creditability',then give any source which is non-Armenian and says that there was no genocide.

You said that Armenians sided with the Russians??Wow.Big deal.Armenians in the Russian army was from Yereven or Tbilisi,but for some unknown reasons women and children in Konya and Ankara(which is far away form the Russian-Turkish borders) were deported.How can you explain this??

As for Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict,read the sentence below and learn who was the victim...

Sumgait: The vigorous but mainly peaceful political activity in Karabakh and Yerevan was accompanied by a resumption of killings. On February 27, fanatical Azeri-Turks went on a three day rampage in Sumgait, a new industrial town 20 miles from Baku, murdering members of the town's large Armenian minority and destroying their property. According to the official Soviet account 32 died, but eyewitness reports strongly suggest the true figure runs into the hundreds. Marina Pogosyan, a young survivor of the Sumgait massacre, testified:

"On the twenty-sixth, a Friday, a friend of mine warned me to stay inside over the weekend. Still, I went to work - I taught in a nursery schood - and walked home at noon. That afternoon, there was another Azerbaijani rally, in downtown Sumgait, and then crowds of people went through the shopping area where Armenians worked, and broke windows and smashed things. I heard cries of 'Death to Armenians! Blood for blood!' It was mostly young people, and the police didn't stop thepn. Late that night, after we had gone to bed, we heard yelling on the street, and through the window I saw thousands of people in a mob marching through the street, most dressed in black, carrying clubs and Turkish flags with the half-moon. They were yelling, 'Get out! Armenians are killing our people and you're sitting here! We must purge our city! The next day, we went to a neighbor's in the building for. her birthday party. We talked about what we had seen, but we thought it was just young hooligans, fhen a neighbor boy came in, looking pale. We asked him what was happening, and he said: 'You don't know? They're killing and burning people out there, breaking into people's apartments.' We called the police, and they said: 'Stay where you are. You're not the only ones. We can't help you.' A Russian neighbor came to us and invited us to wait in her apartment. There were about three families with her - fifteen people. We spent the whole night there. The mob came and knocked on our door, and she went outside and told them that we were not there - that we'd moved a week ago. A few times after that, they passed by and broke into neighbors' apartments. By that time, no Armenians were home. So there were no killings (in her building-ed.), but there was a lot of destruction. They threw the chairs and the dishes out of the window. I had absolutely no hope that we'd survive. I figured they'd kill us all sooner or later. The mob came again, but on Monday soldiers came in tanks and took us to the Party committee building." (Cullen, 1991, pp. 66-7)

Marina Pogosyan and her family were allowed to collect money and a few possessions before being flown to Yerevan. Most of Sumgait's Armenian community survived the attacks. Many, like Miss Pogosyan, were sheltered by brave Russian and Azeri-Turk neighbours. But the fate of those who fell into the hands of the mob was cruel. Lola Avakyan, a 37-year-old Armenian resident of Sumgait was one of the unfortunate. Seized by an Azeri-Turk crowd, she was stripped and forced to dance before having her breasts slashed and body burned with cigarettes. She was raped and then killed. Several AzeriTurks were arrested and convicted for their involvement in the mayhem.

Sumgait postscript: On March 2, 1993, the Office of Azerbaijani Procurator announced that it had recommended that President Eichibey grant an amnesty to those convicted of violent offenses against Armenians during the Sumgait pogrom. The Procurator's Office reported that it expected the President to act according to its recommendation. On the same day, a proposal for the amnesty to be announced on May 28, 1993 - the 74th anniversary of the founding of the first Republic of Azerbaijan - was made in Azerbaijani parliament.

Crusifiction of Maraga
* The tragic events of Maraga were documented in separate chapter
for one single purpose: to help prevent future crimes against humanity.

Article taken from the book by Levon Melik-Shakhnazarian. "Military crimes
of Azerbaijan against civilian population of Nagorno
Karabach Republic"; Yerevan "Nairi", 1997.

The military aggression of Azerbaijan against Nagorno Karabach Republic
is full of examples of inhumanity which shake our
imagination; the genocide of the Armenian population in Maraga village (in
some old soviet maps "Leninavan" - Maraga and
Margushevan of Mardakert District of NKR), executed by Azeri military units,
without any doubts is one of the most tragic pages in
human history. Unfortunately that event was not reflected adequately by the
world press and as far as we know none of the Azeri
executors were held responsible. Azeri government has full knowledge which
military units occupied Maraga village in 10th of April,
1992 and what horrible crimes did they commit.

Neighboring Ter Ter (Mir Bashi) district, Maraga village was a subject
of intense artillery fire for long period of time which
resulted in intensive destruction even before the events which took place in
10th of April 1992. By statistics of 1989 village
population was 4660 people. By 1992 most of them had to build underground
shelters in their backyards, which helped them survive
deadly shelling. Some of the villagers were forced to leave and find shelter
in other districts of NKR.

The shelling of 10th of April began in 5 AM and intensified closer to
the afternoon which followed by advance of azeri military
units into the village. In the result of occupation most of the village was
burned, 57 people were killed, their bodies mutilated and
burned, 45 people were taken hostage, amongst them 9 children and 29 women.
Two weeks later village was raided again, this
time all its people were deported, 13 people taken hostage, houses robbed
and burned. The village was virtually wiped out. "10
april in the results of military actions in Agdar (Mardakert disctrict) 4
armenian military vehicles destroyed, 20 armenians taken
prisoners more than 100 killed" (Chronicles of war, Baku "Azadlug" 14 april,
1992, in azeri).

Amongst armenians killed in Maraga were 30 women. The government of NKR
has in its disposal video documents of examination
of the bodies, which was performed in the presence of the Vice-Speaker of
House of Lords, Baroness Cox in 13th of April, 1992.
Footage proofs the vandalism of the murderers during and after the
execution.

Witnesses testimonies:

Pogossian Karine (born 1962 taken hostage 10 april)

The shellings began in the end of January, we were hiding in underground
shelters, basements... In afternoon, around 2-3 PM,
we saw azeris in the village and heard screams and gun shots. ...I heard one
woman begging not to touch the children.. She was
hit on the head with a gun...afterwards I found out that woman, Zabel, was
squashed alive by a tank.... My children were taken
away from me and I lost them...azeris threw me in the car and took me to
Bardu.

Kazarian Jenya (born 1935 taken hostage 10 april)

They came into my house and shot me in the leg then I was hit by a
machine gun and fell down. They threw me in the car
where they also put everything they robbed me off. Beside me in the car was
my relative Kazarian Yuri and his wide Anush.

Badalyan Larisa (born 1953, taken hostage 10 april)

I was at the potato field when I heard about the attack. I went back to
the village which was already burning. Went to my
uncle house, 50 years old man was lying dead. In 100 years old grandma
Anush' house next door everything was covered with
blood and the corpses of women and elders where lying on the floor with eyes
wide open...

Agadjanian Nushik (born 1932)

Azeris killed many innocent people that day in Maraga, elders, women and
children, amongst then Roza Barsegian- 70 years,
Jora Stepanian- 70 years, they cut Boris' throat, cut his body to pieces
with an axe, killed Paranzem, Evald, Serjik, Bagrat,
Vardanush, Vania Marytian and his wife Raya, Alesha Hovsepian was covered
with fuel and burned alive.

(more testimonies ommited)

The testimonies are taken from the report by The Human Rights Committee c/o
Centre for Human Rights,
United Nations Office at Geneva
8-14 avenue de la Paix
1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland.

(Follows the list of armenian civilians killed in Maraga village in 10th of
April, 1992 by units of Azeri regular army: in total 57;
ommited)

We must add that all the victims (without exceptions) were inhumanly
tortured before they were executed. Their bodies were
cut to pieces and burned by azeri solders. Ararat Aleksanian was tied to a
tank and dragged on the ruins. He died from broken
bones and loss of blood. His body was later mutilated. The same torture was
applied to Mnazakanian Rita after she was taken
hostage (returned in 15th of may 1992 in state of psychotic disorder).

Aivazian family was taken hostage (6 people, 2 children). Azeris agreed
to exchange them for thier own soldiers but after the
exchange the car with villagers was blown up by the mine which was planted
ahead by azeris. All members of Aivazian family died
in the explosion.

Along with victims of shelling, more than 90 villagers were killed on
the roads of exile. 37 people were victims of gun fire,
amongst them 21 women and 6 children.

These fact of vandalism prove that what happen in Maraga village was
systematic human rights abuse and violation of all
international conventions and agreements.

Article II of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide
defines the acts which constitute the crime of
genocide.

Article III details acts punishable under the Genocide Convention. This
definition has been included without changes in Article 6 of
the 1998 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

Prevention and Punishment of Genocide

"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following
acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in
part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to
bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:

(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d ) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide. "

[imported_grafix]

Sertug bosuna ugrasma. Hayatimda bu kadar lanet ve igrenc bir insanlar topluluguyla karsilasmadim. Santaj, terorism, uckagitcilik..amaca ulasmak icin her turlu yol mubah bu insanlara.
Ben cok ugrastim-her laf anlatmaya calistiginda daha fazla uzerine gelip saldirirlar kudurmus gibi.
Sen salla cevap vermeye degmez.

Insanlik musveddeleri memleketimizi istedikleri kadar kotu hale sokmaya calissinlar-birsey basaramayacaklar.

bu arada bunlar profesyonel propaganda egitiminden geciyorlar ve her 'argument'e counterargument yapmasini ogreniyorlar. yani tarzlarini ve neye nasil cevaplayacaklarini bilmeden tartisamazsin-cunku bu konuda isin kitabini yazmislar.

Turkler hakli ama kendimizi dunyaya anlatamdik-bu heriflerde politik baskilarla tarihi bir olayin manasini degistirmeye basardilar.

[hellfire]

Originally posted by grafix
Sertug bosuna ugrasma. Hayatimda bu kadar lanet ve igrenc bir insanlar topluluguyla karsilasmadim. Santaj, terorism, uckagitcilik..amaca ulasmak icin her turlu yol mubah bu insanlara.
Ben cok ugrastim-her laf anlatmaya calistiginda daha fazla uzerine gelip saldirirlar kudurmus gibi.
Sen salla cevap vermeye degmez.

Insanlik musveddeleri memleketimizi istedikleri kadar kotu hale sokmaya calissinlar-birsey basaramayacaklar.

bu arada bunlar profesyonel propaganda egitiminden geciyorlar ve her 'argument'e counterargument yapmasini ogreniyorlar. yani tarzlarini ve neye nasil cevaplayacaklarini bilmeden tartisamazsin-cunku bu konuda isin kitabini yazmislar.

Turkler hakli ama kendimizi dunyaya anlatamdik-bu heriflerde politik baskilarla tarihi bir olayin manasini degistirmeye basardilar.

Hahahahahaha!!Now you two are speaking in Turkish so that noone can understand!!Fools!!
So,Grafix,you claim that you have been fighting 'sick' people like us..and what a funny thing it is that you yourself admitted that through your debates the only thing you've learnt was to run away!!
And what do you mean 'proffessional propaganda educator'??I myself have never seen one!You panturks are always blaming things on the others while making no efforts.Of course there are no propagandist who are studying counterarguments for every arguments.Scholars are only ripping off what is written and recorded in many international documents.There is NO counterarguments for the truth.
Of course,Graphix,you are right in saying that the debate is useless.Because the only answer for the turks is to apologise and pay compensations to the Armenians,Greeks,Assyrians,Kurds,and hundred other minorities.
Hahahahaha!!!!

Originally posted by hellfire
The article is from
http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/engli...assesment.html
this is a typical pan-turk propaganda saite and has no creditability.

If there is no creditability why bother even contiplating reading in the first place?

Originally posted by ASertug
HEY HEY WATCH IT MAN!

FOR ME YOUR SOURCES HAVE NO CREDIBALITY. THE TURKS YOU ARMENIANS MASSACRED IN THE EAST, AND IN MUSUL AND KERKUK ARE NOT FORGOTTEN!!!!! YOUR POOR PROPAGANDA AND FRENCH-ASS KISSING HAS SHOWN A GREAT DEAL OF POTENTIAL THOUGH!

IT WAS A RELOCATION, MANY TURKS DIED, MANY ARMENIANS DIED. IF ARMENIA HAD NOT SIDED WITH RUSSIA, AND FOUGHT AGAINST HTE OTTOMAN EMPIRE, SUCH EVENTS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE!!!! THERE WERENT EVEN 1 MILLION TURKS TO COMMIT THAT GENOCIDE FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!!

YOUR SOURCES ARE ARMENIAN PROPAGANDA, STOP TRYING TO BRAINWASH. AND STOP KILLING AZERBAIJANIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Burda manyaklara urasmak basin agrimiyorum? Valla ben sadece simdi buraya geldim ve okudularimda miydemi bozdu.

[hellfire]

Originally posted by TopkapiPalace

If there is no creditability why bother even contiplating reading in the first place?

If this discussion is 'disgusting',why even bother reading it?Nice to meet a mazohist!!
In case your nut-sized brain can't fathom,'creditability' is something like authenticity.I guess you judge the entire world by reading 'The Sun' or something like that.

[hellfire]

Originally posted by TopkapiPalace

Burda manyaklara urasmak basin agrimiyorum? Valla ben sadece simdi buraya geldim ve okudularimda miydemi bozdu.

My head is hurting to see such a moron like you.
Go change your sig.The buildings in your picture were made by Greeks and Armenians.A pic of beheaded Armenian or turkish oil wrestling is fit for you.