God Bless Turkey

[de_ira]

Hold the phone, stop the presses, wait a cotton-picking minute! We have a new contender! The show is not over and somebody gag that stupid fat lady, she's not doing any singing tonight!

In a surprising turn of events members of Turkeys Parliament raised a few eyebrows by defying the will of Satan( AKA George Bush Jr.) and their own government by rejecting a proposal allowing US troops on it's soil, thus proving once and for all that not all things on this World can be bought with an American Dollar. For the record: 264 members of Parliament voted for, 250 voted against the proposal and 19 abstained from voting, which means that three more votes were neaded for the proposal to be accepted.

I never thought I would see myself writing this but I simply have to commend the strength and unity in standing up to the US shown by the Turkish people at this breaking point. Turkey has managed to say NO! to War and once again to say NO! to it's strategic interests (having a say in post-war Iraq and being able to control the fate of the Iraqi Kurds) and all of this in spite of the big wad of cash thrown at them (over 6 billion US Dollars in loans and economic aid), which is a feat which we do not have the privilege of seeing every day in this immoral and material World. Let's not forget that only four years ago, in 1999, the Russians totally sold out the Serbs for a measly 3-4 billion dollar IMF loan, and that that loan is the only reason why there was a bombing.

With Parliament refusing to allow Turkey to take any further part in the 'Terrorist War on Terrorism' and 90% of the population strongly being apposed to war on Iraq, it is doubtful that the Turkish government is going to gamble it's authority and popularity by trying to force the Turkish people into doing something they fell strongly against and something which they (correctly) perceive as an unjust, criminal, unlawful, inhuman and indecent act.

If only the Arab league could look up to it's Turkish brothers and followed in their footsteps by tossing US troops out of Yemen, Saudi Arabia and other surrounding countries; and on their stupid American asses, we would have an whole new show on our hands. Anyway, it's always encouraging to see new allies in the fight for freedom and justice, alongside France, Russia, Germany and China. The trick is staying persistent when the next sweeter offer is extended to Turkey by the idiots on the other side of the World. Meanwhile I will (believe it or not) spend my time blessing the Turkish people and supporting them in their efforts to stand up to a much bigger and stronger, but an even more stupid and ignorant bully.

I have just one message for the Turkish people: Keep the good work up! Keep fighting the good fight! And if those jerks just try to accept the proposal, rise to arms! show them what you think of them and who's boss!'

Yours truly, de_ira AKA SpellCaster

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by de_ira
Hold the phone, stop the presses, wait a cotton-picking minute! We have a new contender! The show is not over and somebody gag that stupid fat lady, she's not doing any singing tonight!

In a surprising turn of events members of Turkeys Parliament raised a few eyebrows by defying the will of Satan( AKA George Bush Jr.) and their own government by rejecting a proposal allowing US troops on it's soil, thus proving once and for all that not all things on this World can be bought with an American Dollar. For the record: 264 members of Parliament voted for, 250 voted against the proposal and 19 abstained from voting, which means that three more votes were neaded for the proposal to be accepted.

I never thought I would see myself writing this but I simply have to commend the strength and unity in standing up to the US shown by the Turkish people at this breaking point. Turkey has managed to say NO! to War and once again to say NO! to it's strategic interests (having a say in post-war Iraq and being able to control the fate of the Iraqi Kurds) and all of this in spite of the big wad of cash thrown at them (over 6 billion US Dollars in loans and economic aid), which is a feat which we do not have the privilege of seeing every day in this immoral and material World. Let's not forget that only four years ago, in 1999, the Russians totally sold out the Serbs for a measly 3-4 billion dollar IMF loan, and that that loan is the only reason why there was a bombing.

With Parliament refusing to allow Turkey to take any further part in the 'Terrorist War on Terrorism' and 90% of the population strongly being apposed to war on Iraq, it is doubtful that the Turkish government is going to gamble it's authority and popularity by trying to force the Turkish people into doing something they fell strongly against and something which they (correctly) perceive as an unjust, criminal, unlawful, inhuman and indecent act.

If only the Arab league could look up to it's Turkish brothers and followed in their footsteps by tossing US troops out of Yemen, Saudi Arabia and other surrounding countries; and on their stupid American asses, we would have an whole new show on our hands. Anyway, it's always encouraging to see new allies in the fight for freedom and justice, alongside France, Russia, Germany and China. The trick is staying persistent when the next sweeter offer is extended to Turkey by the idiots on the other side of the World. Meanwhile I will (believe it or not) spend my time blessing the Turkish people and supporting them in their efforts to stand up to a much bigger and stronger, but an even more stupid and ignorant bully.

I have just one message for the Turkish people: Keep the good work up! Keep fighting the good fight! And if those jerks just try to accept the proposal, rise to arms! show them what you think of them and who's boss!'

Yours truly, de_ira AKA SpellCaster

Haha, the Turks need it, God is the only one to support them after the American dollars.

[imported_grafix]

And of course one should've expected it;

Rikbe is putting on display typical European bias and hypocracy against Turks.

this is the reason why Turkey will never be accepted into the EU, not because of the 'criteria' but rather because of this deeply rooted bias.

de_ira: yuo must understand, Turkey is the ONLY neighbor of Iraq from among the countries you've mentioned. China, Russia, France and Germany are opposing the war because the war will CUT OFF THEIR INTERESTS in the ME, whereas Turkey is opposing the war because the population wants no part in it-and she is doing this DESPITE her national interests.

None of those countries will be effected by this war, but Turkey will suffer billions and billions in economic losses. Turkey will have to deal with the refugee crisis, and Turkey will NOT be compensated for her loss.
DESPITE all this, Despite pressure from the IMF, despite the US threatening to increase Turkeys loan interest rates, despite the fact that she wil not be compensated for economic losses if this war breaks out, despite ALL these facts Turkey STILL said no...

therefore DO NOT put Turkey in the same category with France and Germany, because I AM SURE that if they were in Turkeys place they'd take the aid package and offer the US unlimited access.

I'm explaining all this so you understand what the consequences of this 'no' are for the Turkish people...And so you REALIZE that there's a HUGE difference between Turkey saying no, and other countries saying no because it will be Turkey who'll be effected by theoutcome of the war DIRECTLY...

Best regards.

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by grafix
And of course one should've expected it;

Rikbe is putting on display typical European bias and hypocracy against Turks.

this is the reason why Turkey will never be accepted into the EU, not because of the 'criteria' but rather because of this deeply rooted bias.

Poor Turks, victims of a deep rooted racism. Nobody understand them.

[de_ira]

OK Rikbe you are really pissing me off!
What the hell is your problem? Instead of supporting them you laugh at them. Do you WANT the war in IRAQ to happen, without anybody saying 'Just wait a cotton-picking minute; you CAN'T just go around bombing countries around.' Don't you realize that where ever in the World you are no good will come of this? If you are not in the US or Great (yeah right more like insignificant anal extension of the US) Britain you can be next when election year comes around, and if you are in the US or Analia you are just a step away from another 9.11. The more observant shall notice that I (living in Serbia) don't shiver any time I hear planes in the sky and that I don't skip school and go down to the local shelter on 9.11. every year - why? 1) I'm not a scaredy-cat 2) the leaders of my country, never mind how incompetent and corrupt, don't piss half the world off by their 'oh so last Tuesday' Crusade for Human Rights, Justice and Freedom. And if the World showed composure it is showing now, back in 1999 when my country was bombed I wouldn't had to spend 80 days having the living **** bombed out of my town. In any case if the US were to be as successful as they claim they are going to be (and let's face it you can't plan a war without casualties) what would they gain from it? Yes they would have gotten their bloody oil but at expense of their political authority and innocent blood. I predict: 1) a 500% rise in terrorist attacks if the US wins the war 2) that the US is going to have a really hard time justifying the next war (oh yes there is going to be a next one, and a next one and a next one) and getting allies. And may even have a mini war imposed on itself (maybe just an economic one - I don't know yet my visions are a little blurry if I look more than a year in the future

And as for you grafix - don't pay attention to this fool and if I may notice you carry around a fair share of bias. I mean yes the Turks are right there with the refugees and the Kurds and the economy etc.,etc.,etc., and I respect all of that sure, but it's not hat easy for the other countries. For example Russia and China are under immense political pressure to back off in order to get support for their own 'wars on terrorism' (Chechnya, etc) and as for France and Germany they are throwing an alliance with a mighty neighbor out the window and where I come from that's rarely a policy which stops wows them over and usually just pisses off a lot of people which could help you a great deal at a time of crisis in terms of money and military power. So show a bit of respect for that. I mean even though the Turks are in their fair share of hot water now it's not like they invented it and it's not like they're in there boiling all alone, they are not even the first ones there. But all of this is unimportant. The main thing is that the World needs allies to fight the good fight and countries of such as Turkey are always welcome and needed. We all must stay united in spite all the hardships which are going to follow and we should also try to help each other surpass these obstacles on the way to World peace in these testing times.

As for Rikbe - Get a Life Man! This is a sensitive subject and it doesn't need idiotisms and stupid remarks such as yours. I don't know weather you really are an idiot or you just think you are being cool or smart - anyway stop it. If you don't - de_ira will personally come to your home and inflict numerous forms, diverse in size and quality, of pain to you


'till next time yours truly - SpellCaster AKA de_ira

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by de_ira
OK Rikbe you are really pissing me off!

Yes, I have usely that effect on Muslims and Islamophiles.
My point of view is that terrorism must be exterminated by all means. When banana countries will realize that it is not in their interests to support terrorism, it will disappear by lack of support and freehavens.
If the European countries and the USA would have reacted 30 years ago when terrorism became international, we would not be in this mess now.
Our world became too small to accept tyrants and theocracies and let them manipulate world economy.
The war against Iraq is sad and dangerous but doing nothing is suicide because THAT would encourage every psycho to perpetrate terrorists actions for whatever reason.

[Karanaki]

LOL! de-ira is a ****ing prick. the US and the UK are trying their best to defend the free world and all he does is take the piss! the UK is an anal extension of the US? crap! the UK used to rule the US! the US is nothing more than an ex-UK colony.

Originally posted by Rikbe
Haha, the Turks need it, God is the only one to support them after the American dollars.
[/b]

Showing your hateful side yet again....

Originally posted by Karanaki
LOL! de-ira is a ****ing prick. the US and the UK are trying their best to defend the free world and all he does is take the piss! the UK is an anal extension of the US? crap! the UK used to rule the US! the US is nothing more than an ex-UK colony.

Being a Turkish and living in UK I don't agree with you.
Us had nothing to do with with being an ex-colony where you got your information from I don't know...But if I were you I would look into it more before saying such statements as you have just done.

USA is made up of several different populations...there is no pure Americiansim. Who were the first pligrigims that were either sent there or decided to settle there? HAve you thought of this?

Consisted of Porta Ricans, Spanisn, English, Scots, Irish, and those who were condemded to prisions..

So what do most of the current Americans think of their ancestory? Or are they to ashamed to say anything and more to the point to they know of their actualy background?

I am not saying that all Americans defy their history but not all actually will agree with me either.

[Rikbe]

The only reason why Turkey has a Turkish majority is because they exterminated the others.

[Karanaki]

[quote]Originally posted by Muze

Originally posted by Karanaki
LOL! de-ira is a ****ing prick. the US and the UK are trying their best to defend the free world and all he does is take the piss! the UK is an anal extension of the US? crap! the UK used to rule the US! the US is nothing more than an ex-UK colony.

Being a Turkish and living in UK I don't agree with you.
Us had nothing to do with with being an ex-colony where you got your information from I don't know...But if I were you I would look into it more before saying such statements as you have just done.

USA is made up of several different populations...there is no pure Americiansim. Who were the first pligrigims that were either sent there or decided to settle there? HAve you thought of this?

Consisted of Porta Ricans, Spanisn, English, Scots, Irish, and those who were condemded to prisions..

So what do most of the current Americans think of their ancestory? Or are they to ashamed to say anything and more to the point to they know of their actualy background?

I am not saying that all Americans defy their history but not all actually will agree with me either.

[/QUOTE


JESUS CHRIST! the UK is the only country to have ever ruled the US. the US used to be in the British Empire. the first pilgrims there were British pilgrims, obviously.

the Stars and Stripes has 13 stripes- which represent the 13 British colonies, which are now the 13 states that make up the area in the east known as New England. that's why it is known as New England. the US got its independence from the UK in 1776. at that time, it was the UK which was the "top dog". we were the world's richest and most powerful country. we were the richest country in the world up until 1894. and we were still 1 of the world's 3 superpowers (along with the US and Russia) in the 1950's.


who cares if there are all these different groups of people in the US? the US used to belong to the British.

[Rikbe]

[quote]Originally posted by Karanaki

Originally posted by Muze

Being a Turkish and living in UK I don't agree with you.
Us had nothing to do with with being an ex-colony where you got your information from I don't know...But if I were you I would look into it more before saying such statements as you have just done.

USA is made up of several different populations...there is no pure Americiansim. Who were the first pligrigims that were either sent there or decided to settle there? HAve you thought of this?

Consisted of Porta Ricans, Spanisn, English, Scots, Irish, and those who were condemded to prisions..

So what do most of the current Americans think of their ancestory? Or are they to ashamed to say anything and more to the point to they know of their actualy background?

I am not saying that all Americans defy their history but not all actually will agree with me either.

[/QUOTE


JESUS CHRIST! the UK is the only country to have ever ruled the US. the US used to be in the British Empire. the first pilgrims there were British pilgrims, obviously.

the Stars and Stripes has 13 stripes- which represent the 13 British colonies, which are now the 13 states that make up the area in the east known as New England. that's why it is known as New England. the US got its independence from the UK in 1776. at that time, it was the UK which was the "top dog". we were the world's richest and most powerful country. we were the richest country in the world up until 1894. and we were still 1 of the world's 3 superpowers (along with the US and Russia) in the 1950's.


who cares if there are all these different groups of people in the US? the US used to belong to the British.

And England used to belong to Rome.

[Karanaki]

wow. the mighty Roman Empire. the British Empire was the largest empire the world has ever known. a quarter of the planet was once under British rule- places like the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Zimbabwe, other African countries, Ireland, Malta, Cyprus, Malaysia. the list goes on and on.

[Rikbe]

and now they have nothing left and lick the boots of the USA.
Sic transit gloria.

[Karanaki]

don't be stupid. the Yanks WANT us to fight alongside them cos they have a crap military. they will either bomb their own people or bomb a neighbouring country like Turkey. the British have the best military in the world, so the fat Yanks want us there with them.