American Empire

[imported_sreekanth]

World is responsible for the cancerous growth of American empire. The world lacks leaders. Nobody asking Mr. Bush to show the WMDs....because everybody knows the power of American money. This is not he war against terrorism. you cant won a war against terrorism by committing terrorism. native Indians, black slaves, Hiroshima, Nagasaki ,Vietnam ..Yes the history of American empire is great...and it is still dancing in the blood of millions of poor and defenseless people around the world...

the sad thing is that. Majority of the American public don’t know what is going on. there media is systematically brainwashing them.

i pray for the destruction of American empire..........


In the last five decades, America has attacked no less than two dozen
countries. In the last 4-6 years, it has bombed four countries.
Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23
countries,supported 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a
dozen assassinations of political heads of state.


it has 200,000 soldiers permanently stationed in dozens of countries around the globe.
Its global military presence expandsevery year
It has the world's largest stockpile of smallpox, anthrax, and other biological weapons
It has aprx.30,000 tons of chemical weapons.
It has the world's largest stockpile of nuclear weapons
It refuses to renounce the first strike use of nuclear weapons.
It won't commit to refraining from using nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapon states.
It is the only country to ever use nuclear weapons.
It refuses to sign a treaty to establish a international criminal court that could prosecute war crimes free from its
interference.
It issues ultimata to other countries , and
when the ultimata are rejected, it says the other side refused to negotiate.
When the other side begs to negotiate, it's bombed.


By their air strikes in Iraq, the USA and Great-Britain used cluster bombs, which are internationally forbidden by the Treaty of Ottawa because of the big risk for the civilians on landmines and scattered missiles . According to International Law the use of weapons with an enlarged risk for civilians is a war-crime.

Several times Iraqi civilians were shot by American troops at checkpoints. The justification by military spokesmen, referring at a suicide attack by an Iraqi soldier in civilian clothes makes no sense, because shooting civilians is always a war-crime according to International Law. Of course the American troops have the right to take security measures, but not at the cost of the Iraqi civilians for whose safety they are responsible according to the 4th Geneva Convention being the occupying army...this is colonial massacre..

i pray for the destruction of this evil empire..........

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by sreekanth
Several times Iraqi civilians were shot by American troops at checkpoints. The justification by military spokesmen, referring at a suicide attack by an Iraqi soldier in civilian clothes makes no sense, because shooting civilians is always a war-crime according to International Law. Of course the American troops have the right to take security measures, but not at the cost of the Iraqi civilians for whose safety they are responsible according to the 4th Geneva Convention being the occupying army...this is colonial massacre..

i pray for the destruction of this evil empire..........

Civilians with guns are considered as terrorists. It is not a war crime to shoot terrorists.

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by sreekanth
World is responsible for the cancerous growth of American empire. The world lacks leaders. Nobody asking Mr. Bush to show the WMDs....because everybody knows the power of American money. This is not he war against terrorism. you cant won a war against terrorism by committing terrorism.

Even if you are right, it were Muslim terrorists that gave Bush an excuse for war.

For the rest of your post, every nation on earth has commited atrocities in one or another period of it's history. In many Muslim countries there are still atrocities at this very moment.

[imported_sreekanth]

"Civilians with guns are considered as terrorists"

then war againest terrorism must start in america and west.they must shoot these 'terrorists' first.

[imported_sreekanth]

and my dear friend,u are telling that even those little kids who are killed were "terrorists." ??????

congratulations.ur a graet human.

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by sreekanth
and my dear friend,u are telling that even those little kids who are killed were "terrorists." ??????

congratulations.ur a graet human.

KIds with guns and trained to kill, yes.

[imported_sreekanth]

Dear rikbe,

I don’t know whether u have kids or not. Hope not !!!.
Thank you for the new information that those children who killed were,infact were "trained terrorists".

It is shocking that there are so many psychotic flag-wavers.

"The U.S.A. has supplied arms, security equipment and training to
governments and armed groups that have committed torture, political
killings and other human rights abuses in countries around the world."
-Amnesty International ["United States of America - Rights for All"
October 1998]

Official FBI definition of terrorism:

“Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”

That means Leaders of United State of America is the most deadly terrorists in the world.

[Rikbe]

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http://www.operationsick.com/reports...mediawatch.htm

[Rikbe]

Originally posted by sreekanth
Dear rikbe,

I don’t know whether u have kids or not. Hope not !!!.
Thank you for the new information that those children who killed were,infact were "trained terrorists".

It is shocking that there are so many psychotic flag-wavers.

"The U.S.A. has supplied arms, security equipment and training to
governments and armed groups that have committed torture, political
killings and other human rights abuses in countries around the world."
-Amnesty International ["United States of America - Rights for All"
October 1998]

Official FBI definition of terrorism:

“Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”

That means Leaders of United State of America is the most deadly terrorists in the world.

I have kids, they have not been trained to kill, just to find a job and do honest work.

It is shocking how, since 9/11, Muslims try to convince people via all media that America and Israel are responsible for everything that is going wrong in the world, how they blame the free world for their own atrocities.
It is shocking to hear parents tell how proud they are for the dead of their son or daugther who died in a suicide attack for Allah.
It is shocking to hear the same people say that Islam is a religion of peace.

If the USA have decided to cure the world from this insanity, they have my blessings.
If to choose between living in an American colony or a Muslim slave state, I choose the American colony.
It is sad that innocents are killed but the USA did not start this war. Since 30 years many Arab and other Muslim countries support terrorists in their attack against the Western World.

Every contry that has a weapon-industry has sold weapons to non democratic countries and terrorist groups.
The Iraqi army had Russian weapons.

[imported_sreekanth]

my dear friend,

Firstly,i am not a muslim,i am againest the muslim fundamentalism.i dont know how did u 'guess' that!!!!
and i think most of the pictures u are posted are from the pictures from middle east...

"It is shocking to hear parents tell how proud they are for the dead of their son or daugther who died in a suicide attack for Allah.
It is shocking to hear the same people say that Islam is a religion of peace "

yes i 100% accept your words.i accept that the muslim world must change their attitude.i never blame israel for the trouble of the world.israel have a right to protect its people from belt bombs.

dear friend, i never tried to justify muslim terrorism around the world.and in the same sense i beleave that america is also doing terrorism in the name of war on terror.

"American colony or a Muslim slave state..." we have lot of other options...

[Rikbe]

There is a tiny difference, the governement of the USA has been democratically elected and 60% of the Americans were in favour of the war. So according to you, 60% of the Americans are terrorists.

Definition of terrorism by the American Heritage Dictionary:

terrorism
SYLLABICATION: ter·ror·ism
PRONUNCIATION: AUDIO: tr-rzm KEY
NOUN: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Governements are not mentioned here.

"American colony or a Muslim slave state..." we have lot of other options...

I wrote "IF".

Examples of options?

In the early seventies the Palestinians started with terrorist attack against civilians all over the world. People who had nothing to do with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The beginning of international terrorism. THey claborated with communist terrorists in all countries in EUrope. Europe did nothing.

In the beginning a few planes hijacked, a few bombs... Then they organized, supported by Arab governements and the USSR and the attacks asked more and more victims. None of the European countries reacted, only the Americans and Israel.

In the seventies terrorist actions costed a fews victims per attack, in the eighties, a few tenth, in the nineties over 100 and finally 3000 in 2001.

We know now that AL Quada has connections all over the world, recrute terrorists all over the world in schools and Mosques.
In the days after 9/11 all over Europe aleged terrorists were arrested, that means that the EUropean polices KNEW their organisation but DID NOTHING till it was too late.

What do you suggest, continue the European way of peace-talking while the terrorists continue to organize? Till they are a World Power?

For having peace with someone you must want it BOTH. And they don't want it.

[imported_sreekanth]

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supported by Arab governements and the USSR

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Between 1978 and 1992, the US government poured at least US$20 billion worth of arms, training and funds to prop up the mujaheddin factions in afganistan. Other Western governments, as well as oil-rich Saudi Arabia, kicked in as much again. Wealthy Arab fanatics, like Osama bin Laden, provided millions more.

in 1986 CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 .
Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American “black Muslims” were taught “sabotage skills”.

one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, had trained “bin Laden's operatives” in 1989. These “operatives” were recruited at the al Kifah Refugee Centre in Brooklyn, New York, given paramilitary training in the New York area and then sent to Afghanistan with US assistance to join Hekmatyar's forces[remember,the afgan warlord]. Mohammed was a member of the US army's elite Green Berets.

In Pakistan, recruits, money and equipment were distributed to the mujaheddin factions by an organisation known as Maktab al Khidamar .MAK was a front for Pakistan's CIA, the Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate. The ISI was the first recipient of the vast bulk of CIA and Saudi Arabian covert assistance for the Afghan contras. Bin Laden was one of three people who ran MAK. In 1989, he took overall charge of MAK. Among those trained by Mohammed were El Sayyid Nosair, who was jailed in 1995 for killing Israeli rightist Rabbi Meir Kahane and plotting with others to bomb New York landmarks, including the World Trade Center in 1993

Shiekh Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian religious leader also jailed for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, entered the US in 1990 with the CIA's approval


The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism — car bombing and so on — so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate.now you know what they hate!!!

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on Dec. 20, 1983 Donald Rumsfeld had been sent by President Ronald Reagan to Baghdad as a special envoy.Rumsfeld "conveyed the President's greetings and expressed his pleasure at being in Baghdad," talked about the need to improve relations between their two countries. The Israelis had already bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor at Osirak.

[Fear_nam_Beanntan]

Originally posted by sreekanth
Between 1978 and 1992, the US government poured at least US$20 billion worth of arms, training and funds to prop up the mujaheddin factions in afganistan. Other Western governments, as well as oil-rich Saudi Arabia, kicked in as much again. Wealthy Arab fanatics, like Osama bin Laden, provided millions more.

Rightly so. The Russians had no business spreading Communism in Afghanistan. What America did wrong was to abandon the country after it had served our purposes. We should have poured in aid money and set up a democratic government once the war was over. Hope we get it right the second time.

Originally posted by sreekanth
on Dec. 20, 1983 Donald Rumsfeld had been sent by President Ronald Reagan to Baghdad as a special envoy.Rumsfeld "conveyed the President's greetings and expressed his pleasure at being in Baghdad," talked about the need to improve relations between their two countries. The Israelis had already bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor at Osirak.

Playing Iraq against Iran was a stupid idea.

One of the main reasons for going to war with Hussein was so we could make up for past mistakes.

[kotu_kedi]

We should have poured in aid money and set up a democratic government once the war was over. Hope we get it right the second time.

Nope, US didn't get it right again. Remember Bush et al didn not include a dime for Afghanistan in their budget plan. The senate forced a 300 million dollar into the budget, which is still not a significant number for rebuilding a country.

Afghanistan case is closed. It's left by itself to thrive in the hands of warlords now.

Playing Iraq against Iran was a stupid idea.

It wasn't a bad idea. Think of it, foreigners are fighting against your enemy, and foreigners are dying in that war. So it was a pretty smart and profitable idea for US.

One of the main reasons for going to war with Hussein was so we could make up for past mistakes.

I think you are shooting way too far to justufy this war. Man, everything is out there, no WMD, no Al-quida, just a liar in white house and his couple henchman.

Just get rid of the chimp and his henchmen, and call it a day.

[kotu_kedi]

Originally posted by Rikbe
There is a tiny difference, the governement of the USA has been democratically elected and 60% of the Americans were in favour of the war. So according to you, 60% of the Americans are terrorists.

Well, in a democratically elected government (which is dubious for George Bush case), citizens do eventually bear collective responsibility for what their governments are doing, especially when there's a 70% support in public for the specific case.

SO in this case, IF what US has done can be considered "terrorism", then Americans are guilty of supporting "terrorism" by means of their tax dollars and votes.

However, it's a bit unfair to say that Americans mostly support terrorism, because, for example in the latest Iraq war, most Americans were brainwashed into believeing that Iraq has links to 11/9/2001 events, and the WMDS. SO in fact, they thought it's a fair war.

Definition of terrorism by the American Heritage Dictionary:

Governements are not mentioned here.

Umm, it's right there, I see it: "coercing societies or governments". SO it can be defined as "terrorism" even when it's against a state/government.

What do you suggest, continue the European way of peace-talking while the terrorists continue to organize? Till

What is european way of peace-talking? Can you clarify please?