John Kerry or George Bush

[Ronbo]

Originally posted by museum-
What a small worl this is...Is your other friends also going to join?

I don't think so....VCI pulled their plugs because of the little dust up over on Russia Dot Com.

It seems the lads were a tad bit critical of the Muslims and this was very politically incorrect!

As is well known, only Christians are allowed to be bashed in the VCI universe.

So the crew got together and created "etorussia dot com" and practice a laissez-faire policy towards all posters....

[museum-]

What made you feel joining here then? Or are they letting you get away with your posts?

[Rebel-Rose]

Originally posted by Shevchenko
I don't think English people are very interested in Politics, it is seen as a bit effeminate (like the Politicians).

That's a real shame even if partically true. How can a people effect change in their own lives if, while the opportunity is still available, they do not show a slight interest in political affairs?

Look at the mess the world finds itself in today. Could this have been prevented? Sure. We got lazy and watched TV instead.

[Babzzii]

Originally posted by Rebel-Rose

That's a real shame even if partically true. How can a people effect change in their own lives if, while the opportunity is still available, they do not show a slight interest in political affairs?

Look at the mess the world finds itself in today. Could this have been prevented? Sure. We got lazy and watched TV instead.

You may think that the opportunity is open to us but polititicans
never listen and that applies to their own words !!

Two Jags Prescott is one that comes to mind...he said...Use public transport
and leave the car at home...so what did he do...go on have a guess...got
photographed using his cars !!

The mind boggles at what goes on in their heads !!

[Rebel-Rose]

You are, of course, correct, Babz. The ways of protest are many. Writing editorials to the newspaper, participating in protest marches, writing our political leaders, and voting the bad ones out seem to have little effect on the way things are done. Perhaps, it's time for things to be done differently because we've had this system for so long and it's not working. No system at all would be better than what we have now. No government at all. Wonder what that would be like?

[Shevchenko]

Originally posted by Rebel-Rose
That's a real shame even if partically true. How can a people effect change in their own lives if, while the opportunity is still available, they do not show a slight interest in political affairs?

Look at the mess the world finds itself in today. Could this have been prevented? Sure. We got lazy and watched TV instead. [/b]

It's not lazyness Rebel-Rose it is pure contempt.
As Babzzii says our politicians (mosly failed lawyers, all imbeciles) are not worth thinking about.
We have no alternative to incompetent, bootlicking hypocrites so, as long as they know their place and stay out of our way, we ignore them.

We cannot even shoot them, because it makes them look better (ie JFK of the US, Djinjic of Serbia).

The last intelligent politician in the UK was Alan Clark, but he kept speaking his mind - simply not done!

[Shevchenko]

Originally posted by Rebel-Rose
You are, of course, correct, Babz. The ways of protest are many. Writing editorials to the newspaper, participating in protest marches, writing our political leaders, and voting the bad ones out seem to have little effect on the way things are done.

Yes, four hundred thousand peacefully protesting about the damage to the countryside were treated with absolute disdain by the Government, but if a small group of them started blowing women and children to pieces then Tony Blair would be licking their boots in a frenzy.

Sad people, Politicians.

[Rebel-Rose]

Originally posted by Shevchenko

We cannot even shoot them, because it makes them look better (ie JFK of the US, Djinjic of Serbia).

Very funny, but I see your point. A world wide revolt might be in order. I don't think Bush would look better if he got shot. His ugliness would follow him all the way to the grave. Don't get me wound up on him, I can't stand the man.

Honestly, if a plumber ran for president, I would seriously consider voting for him. Who needs lawyers running politics anyway?

[voltaire]

Originally posted by Ronbo

Shouldn't we be talking about my favorite socialist PM Blair here? This is England dot com old chap!

But since you opened the door on this topic I'll gladly walk in -- Pinko Senator John Kerry stands about as much chance as being elected PUSA as Custer did of surviving the Battle of the Little Big Horn.

The smart money says a landslide for Bush: 45 out of 50 states.

Well it's a fact that your politics affects our political lives, so I think the thread's appropriate

As for the result predictions, I think you're reflecting your own hopes that dull-witted former 3rd-rate oilman George W will win, rather than the polls' predictions

V

[Rebel-Rose]

If Bush wins, the world loses. Deep foreign pocket money behind both candidates prove that Americans no longer have a nation they can call their own.

[Last_Knight]

The Lib Dems, Labour and Tories are all as bad as each other anyway. No matter who you vote for they'll pull something out of their rears that will be worse than what the last government did.
How can you expect the government to be for the working man when they've done a days work in their lives and don't even know what the working man wants.

If they called it facism, it'd be more understandable, at least we'd know why can't make a difference. As long as Communists and Socialist lefts stay out of power, I'm not complaining. I tell a lie, I'm always complaining but its pointless.
Communists are creeping in, in the way of Red Ken down in London. I never understood why you would allow a Communist, although he does not carry the Red Star or Hammer and Sickle into any form of power.
Where did Communism get Russia? 70 years of power, millions of dead and the cold shoulder for 60 years from the west. We wouldn't want to become that. Socialism is pretty damn close to that though, Union of Soviet Socialist Republic, we have got to be keeping an eye for those lot.

And Spain ain't going to be getting too many favours now they're Socialist.

[voltaire]

Before I get going, welcome to E-England L-K

Now, I've really got to explain one point and dispute another. As to how Ken Livingstone got power, as I'm sure you're well aware it's because he was elected, by a large margin over all of the mainstream parties, as Mayor of London, in a fair and democratic election. Sine then he has carried out his remit (broadly speaking) well, and with considerable financial savvy to boot. The result of this is that he's very likely to be re-elected.

As to "communism", he simply isn't a communist. He doesn't believe in the abolition of the capitalist system, or the wholesale overthrow of private business, so how could he be?

V

[Shevchenko]

Originally posted by Last_Knight

Where did Communism get Russia? 70 years of power, millions of dead and the cold shoulder for 60 years from the west.

Any -ism is usually flawed, and Communism more flawed than most; but have to correct a couple of things:
Stalin was no Communist and had contempt for Socialists; his heroes were Ivan Grozny and Peter the Great.
Stalin saw himself as the Czar of all the Russias - that's why he had all the Communist Revolutionaries killed (leaving alive a handful for the funerals).
Therefore Communism cannot be blamed for Stalin's genocides.

Secondly, we are in no position to be snotty about the USSR as they created the best education system in the world; they could run public transport; and the pensioners were better off than here.
While the problems after the collapse of communism are appalling, Every time I return to the UK after being in the former USSR I am exasperated at how backward our country is in comparison.

[Niquie]

Originally posted by Ronbo

I don't think so....VCI pulled their plugs because of the little dust up over on Russia Dot Com.

It seems the lads were a tad bit critical of the Muslims and this was very politically incorrect!

As is well known, only Christians are allowed to be bashed in the VCI universe.

So the crew got together and created "etorussia dot com" and practice a laissez-faire policy towards all posters....

Wow. What a whopper of a lie.

[Last_Knight]

How was that all achieved?
1920s and 1930s industry push, the 5 year plans and such. Where millions died from slave labour. This country achieved what is has without sacrificing the lives of millions, so I'm pretty happy with what we got.
Communism would never work. The fact is a government doesn't know how to make money, only how to spend it. All the money we posess comes from companies paying into the system. The USSR achieved its 'superiority' through millions of deaths through starvation and slave labour. Collectivisation of the farm land causing many millions to suffer. Also, might I add that Russias industry came from Britain, America and Germany.
In the 1920s and 1930s they did not have the skilled workers, technology or the right tools to perform the complicated industrial practices that moved the Western Nations on through the ages. I wouldn't personally say the USSR did much good if it had to kill a few million to achieve it.
Stalin, no man, no problem. Killing off all is Generals or sending them off to the big freeze in Siberia. What a smart man he was. Banning such brilliant tactical ideas the Soviet Generals had throught up pre-Stalin.

Russia may be good now, but remind what government system is it again? 'Controlled-democracy' as good old Putin calls it.

Communism never wrote to collapse Capitlist governments, that was just the idea of its followers.

Might I add, between 1933 and 1938 Germany achieved the same, if not greater results than the Soviet Union, without killing masses of its own people.