200 Churches unite against the BNP

[voltaire]

The churches of the Anglican Diocese of Ripon and Leeds have joined together, passing a motion for unity against the BNP with only two votes against. They will now campaign against the fascists in the June elections.

The Reverend Ian Black of St Mary's Church, Whitkirk, Leeds, said this:

"The BNP is overtly racist. We should speak out now ... I want to make it clear to anyone who votes for them that they are not voting for Christian Britain."

This is good news. Anything that helps ensure a resounding defeat for those bigots is to be welcomed.

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[voltaire]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...175839,00.html

[Last_Knight]

I think people have lost the meaning of Facist somewhere. How can they be facist if they are running Democractic election?

[voltaire]

Hitler was elected in the 1930s. Surely you'd agree that he was a fascist?

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[Last_Knight]

He was voted in, in 1933. He did demolish the other parties when he got in power but I fail to see how this relates to the BNP at the current moment in time. Don't bother start calling them Nazis, they are far from it. People mix up the National Front with the BNP.
And in any case, there being no elections in Germany between 1933 and 1945 bears similar resemblence to Britain and America. In war times you have no elections unless called on by the public, due to the governments inability to fight the war. In Britain there was no election until 1947 from 1940. Is this facism, it's 2 years over the normal general election time.
If votes were allowed in Germany between 1933 and 1945, they would of voted Hitler in, time and time again.

Back to the original point, the BNP bears no resemblence to the National Socialist party between 1933 and 1945. They have not forced their way in, nor are they going to. They are going for the Democratic vote, therefore they are not facist. If they got in and followed the same course of action as Hitler did, then they'd be facist, but not now.
I believe it is undemocratic of everyone condemning them calling them facist and thugs, it's an unreasonable manner in this democractic society. The politicians are like a bunch of school kids.

[voltaire]

They get mixed up with the National Front largely becuase so many of their over-40 year old members were in the NF. For instance, former BNP Fuhrer John Tyndall has been around the neo-fascist movement in Britain for decades, since before the days of the NF (of which he was a member).

Current "modernising" BNP leader Nick Griffin was also a member of the NF in the 1970s and 80s. He later founded a group called the "International Third Position" which was set up by Italian fascist Roberto Fiore, and inspired by extreme rightist Italian "philosopher" Julius Evola.

The character of fascism, like that of any movement, changes over time. However when the leading figures remain the same and the track record is so long, I think we can see past the rhetoric

Ask "newly nice Nick" about his publication "Who are the mindbenders"? I'll let you guess who he's talking about


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[voltaire]

http://www.obv.org.uk/localelec2002/20020423a.html

[Shevchenko]

The BNP are a pathetic insignificance, with an idiotic name - ever met a "British Nationalist"?
There are English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh nationalists, but Great Britain is an island, not a country or a nation.

The only remarkable thing about the BNP is the disproportionate amount of media coverage they get, along with the oblivious-to-nazis retards of the "anti-nazi league".

I blame the GROLIs

[Shevchenko]

BTW When Ukraine had her first ever elections, about ten years ago, they actually had a nazi party standing (optimistic in the extreme). Their slogan was "Vote for us and you'll never have to vote again!"

[Last_Knight]

You cannot change the meaning of facism due to someones past record. The BNP aren't facist nor are they National Socialist.

[voltaire]

Go on, ask me when "who are the mindbenders?" was written

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[Last_Knight]

Just to plau along with your silly game. When was 'Who are the mindbenders' written?

What is it with the Church anyway, do they actually believe they have power? Ahaha. It's not the 13th Century anymore.

[voltaire]

1997. Now tell me who it was written about?

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[Last_Knight]

Who was it written about?

This better go somewhere, or I may have to quote the Arch-Bishop of Canterbury on Islam. Just to combat the Church thing.

[voltaire]

It was about Jewish media influence

Now do you need to ask where I'm going with this?

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