A faith born of fear

[Niquie]

Originally posted by macktheknife
Is that so? Tell that to John the Baptist who made a crusade of telling the ruler that he was committing adultery with another man's wife. He lost his head over that one, but Jesus admired him so much that he asked him to be the one to perform His baptism. And I imagine Paul and Peter and Mark and all of the others would be astounded to hear you say they should have just kept their mouths shut about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I don't buy into the Bible agenda. It is rife with lies. I believe that God wants us to love one another. No matter what religion we follow.

Crusades are wrong. Period.

[macktheknife]

Grafix, I am not going to argue your Qu'ran with you. I know what I read, I know what former Muslims say. Even totally disregarding the murder of infidels issue (and I will never disregard it) you are still in a religion that does not recognize Jesus Christ as the Son of God. Therefore, you are in a false religion! We are at a stalemate here. I have done what I set out to do. I told any non-Christian who cares to consider it what the Bible has to say about those who try to come in any way other than through Jesus Christ. Any non-Christian who reads these posts will not be able to say they never heard the truth.

[macktheknife]

There is not ONE place in the Bible where God said the only thing we have to do is love one another. So I guess it's just as well that you are not buying into that Bible agenda because it's not buying into your agenda either.

[Niquie]

So, you do your thing, and I will do mine.

But be forewarned, posting such hateful words is going to get you reamed.

Oh, I know! You're a good Christian and you can take it. Well, I can't. It's too hurtful. I chose to love instead.

And I know, in my heart, that all God wants us to do is to love one another.

If we can do that, we can live in paradise.

[imported_grafix]

But you see the problem is-your stalemate is artificially created BY YOU.
I am explaining to you what Islam is, and what the correct interpretation is. But of course interpretations differ.
Let's not forget how the European christians colonized and exploited the world, massacred native americans and shed so much blood in the name of religion.
What I am trying to tell you is-religion is good if interpreted correctly, however it can also be the root source of evil in the hands of wrong people.

After I have attempted to explain so much to you-you're still repeating the same jibberish: that Islam encourages to kill.
It seems to me that you're not only ignorant but you're also stubborn.
Too bad-because if you're a person representing christianity, one would assume christianity doesn't have much to offer.
But thank god I'm not ignorant enough to judge a religion with people like you-I know good christian people and I judge christianity through their humanistic actions, not through the actions of fanatics like you.

[Niquie]

Originally posted by macktheknife
Grafix, I am not going to argue your Qu'ran with you. I know what I read, I know what former Muslims say. Even totally disregarding the murder of infidels issue (and I will never disregard it) you are still in a religion that does not recognize Jesus Christ as the Son of God. Therefore, you are in a false religion! We are at a stalemate here. I have done what I set out to do. I told any non-Christian who cares to consider it what the Bible has to say about those who try to come in any way other than through Jesus Christ. Any non-Christian who reads these posts will not be able to say they never heard the truth.

Not mine, folks. Anyone who follows any religion, who worships God, or even if you don't or can't (because faith is a gift), you are welcome to speak with me and not be judged.

God will do that. After all, that's HIS job, certainly not mine. I am a mere mortal, who makes mistakes and is not as good a person as most and I humbly MOST HUMBLY admit this....but I am still working on it. Could use some of your prayers, if anyone has any they can spare! I can always use prayers, of ANY religion. God hears them all.

[macktheknife]

Niquie, you sure had a funny way of showing your Christian love for me today. I felt so loved when you called me names and said my religious beliefs fell out of a chicken. Hurry up! Run out and practice some more of that Christian love on a bunch of people. I know some little kids in the hospital recovering from surgeries. Go tell them how you don't believe in that mumbo-jumbo God they've been praying to for recovery. A woman I know just lost her husband. Go spread some of your Christian love on her and tell her how much she sickens you praying to the one true God.

[macktheknife]

Grafix - Christians did not murder anyone--not in the Inquisition or any other time. Persons masquerading as Christians murdered those people. Now I know you will claim the same is true of Islam. But there's one great difference. The Christian Bible does not instruct Christians to murder, and the Qu'ran does. I know: there I go saying that again. The reason I am saying it is because . . . well, because IT'S TRUE! No, I did not create the stalemate. You create it with your refusal to learn the truth about Jesus Christ. On a personal level, I would probably like you very much. On a spiritual level, you only make me sad.

[macktheknife]

Well Niquie, the words you posted on this board today belie what you just said. They're going to be hanging around here for a very long time to come.

[Niquie]

Originally posted by macktheknife
Niquie, you sure had a funny way of showing your Christian love for me today. I felt so loved when you called me names and said my religious beliefs fell out of a chicken. Hurry up! Run out and practice some more of that Christian love on a bunch of people. I know some little kids in the hospital recovering from surgeries. Go tell them how you don't believe in that mumbo-jumbo God they've been praying to for recovery. A woman I know just lost her husband. Go spread some of your Christian love on her and tell her how much she sickens you praying to the one true God.

And it's on this board. In the Open Forum. And I apologized for the name calling, albeit with a caveat. I am angered to that point when I see such abject hate and lies.

And I never, EVER tell ANYONE not to believe in WHATEVER mumb-jumbo they chose to embrace. Pamela, you are doing that. Not me. No religion sickens me, Pamela. It sickens you. Islam sickens you. Well, it just doesn't sicken me, because true followers of true Islam do not believe what you THINK they believe. There are fanatics in every religion. And Christianity has it's share! [Now, no name calling here!]

So, please, everyone. WHATEVER GOD YOU PRAY TO, PRAY TO HIM...OR TO HER -- The Lovely Lady of the Lake. To me, that is Mother Mary - who keeps me in line, who has soothed my heart [as She did today] and who keeps me from becoming that which I fight against. Thank you Mother Mary.

To you Pamela, once again. I apologize for the name calling. It was wrong -- no matter HOW MUCH your words struck at my heart and truly, TRULY hurt me to the core.

[imported_grafix]

Originally posted by macktheknife
Grafix - Christians did not murder anyone--not in the Inquisition or any other time. Persons masquerading as Christians murdered those people. Now I know you will claim the same is true of Islam. But there's one great difference. The Christian Bible does not instruct Christians to murder, and the Qu'ran does. I know: there I go saying that again. The reason I am saying it is because . . . well, because IT'S TRUE! No, I did not create the stalemate. You create it with your refusal to learn the truth about Jesus Christ. On a personal level, I would probably like you very much. On a spiritual level, you only make me sad.

more people have been murdered in the name of christianity than any other religion throughout history.
In the name of God jerusalem was soaked with a foot of blood. In the name of god native americans of South america were massacred. In the name of God Africa was colonized and africans were made slaves out of. In the name of God colonialism exploited poor and defenseless nations.

Furthermore, after All I have explained to you about Islam not permitting murder-do you STILL continue to repeat the same old rhetoric?

and BTW: doesn't it say in the old testament how egyptians should be killed with the grace and blessing of God?
Would it be right for me to then conclude based on that fact that Christianity advocates murdering others?

I might make you sad, but you should be sad at yourself because you're pathetic.

[macktheknife]

I accept your apology for the names you called me, but I do not accept your assertion that I should only write "nice" here. It would be a pretty dull bulletin board if I posted, "God loves everyone," and then Grafix wrote, "Yes, and so does Allah." Then if you came back with, "Jesus loves you," who would want to read line after line of that and what kind of thought would it provoke?

[Niquie]

But are you a little sorry for hurting me? Because you did, Pamela. There are Muslims whom I love...who have been SO GOOD TO ME and at times when I desperately need it. And when no Christian could be found to give me a word of comfort.

I love them for that.

[macktheknife]

Grafix, if you assured me over and over that God didn't make the little green apples and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime, I would have to disagree with you because the truth would be just the opposite of what you are saying. The same is true when you claim Islam does not call for the murder of non-believers. I can't accept that because of what I've read and been told by Muslims (former Muslims). You expect me to accept as absolute truth everything you say to me. Why do you expect me to accept as gospel truth what you say to me while refusing to accept what I say to you? Claiming to be a Christian and committing murder under that guise is not the same thing as a Christian doing it. Anyone can claim to be a Christian. But when the Holy Book of the religion instructs its followers to do that very thing, ah well, now that's entirely different.

[Niquie]

....you are a good man, you come from good people. And t breaks my heart that this stereotype won't go away. It just breaks my heart....and thank God for my own office and a door I can shut because this hatred really makes me well up and spill over. No joke.