A faith born of fear

[servant_wayne]

A faith born of fear

The demand of an unquestioning faith is a faith that fears examination. Such demands are not made by God, but by men seeking to impose their will upon others. For unlike a lie, the light of examination does not trouble the truth, but upholds it.

One does not need to try and rationalize what is inspired of God, for it is not absurd, does not contradict, nor confuse, but is easily understood from the simplest to greatest; yet, apologist must try and rationalize many things within the Bible. For faith in God and faith in the Bible are not one and the same. Dung is dung regardless of where it is found and anyone who claims that God commanded the butchery of men, women and children are not called of God, but is a self-called preacher of dung!

If people believe evil things said of God, evil will be done in His name. It is time for God's people to quit being intellectually dishonest with self and with God, claiming that they approve of men, women and children being hacked to death as long as it is claimed that it was commanded by God. For there is no difference between the false bloody one of 1 Samuel 15:2-3 and that one whom the loonies of 9/11 served.

Children of God, what say you? Did the Spirit of Truth affirm within your Spiritual heart that what is said of God in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 speaks truthfully of your Heavenly Father? Have you, in seeking to please men, crucified your mind that you may swallow camels? Is it out of bondage to fear of unbelief that you pretend to not understand that such perverse things said of God are wicked?

If one insists upon believing that God commanded the vile things of 1 Samuel 15:2-3, that He is a butcher of babies, they are placing their faith in what men have claimed of God, rather than in God alone! For there is not a single one of you who can truthfully testify that it was God himself who personally told you that He did indeed command the things of 1 Samuel 15:2-3. And further more, after having read my report, not one of you shall be able to stand before God and claim you never heard one preaching that God is not that bloody butcher of 1 Samuel 15:2-3. The only truthful thing you can say is you choose to reject the argument that God didn’t command vile things such as 1 Samuel 15:2-3 and embraced the arguments of those who claim He did because you were afraid not to!

For the pillars upholding Christianity are bribery and fear. The promise of a heavenly reward to those that have unquestioning faith in its doctrines and threats of damnation to those that doubt. If these things were removed from Christian dogma its house of bondage would surely collapse!

Harrington Sites: http://members.cox.net/galatians/

Multiple sites revealing the Spiritual duality of the Bible, whose conflicting duality sows good or evil according to the nature of one's Spiritual heart.

Dedicated to those, who before the age of reason was lead into bondage to an unrighteous fear of God, through fear of unbelief in Biblical doctrines that promote self-hatred and passive ignorance. And to the atheist, whose mind is made hostile towards belief in God, because of abominable things that the wicked have said of God, yet are proclaimed by the self-called to be His spokesmen. And to the agnostics, who in being truthful with self and with God, have refused to please men by crucifying their mind to believe in superstitious mumbo-jumbo that is claimed by the self-appointed to be divinely inspired truth.

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[Niquie]

.....that God is not a butcher?

Sane people don't need your lecture to know that -- whether we believe, don't believe or would believe if God could be proven to "exist."

MEN butcher. Using God as an excuse is (1)pathetic; (2) blasphemous to those who DO believe and (3) just downright convenient.

[servant_wayne]

So are we to assume that those who believe that 1 Samuel 15: 2-3 speaks truthfully of God are insane?

[Mamie]

eep spam

[Tungur_Knivur]

No, God is not a butcher, but he orders his followers to butcher though. There is a difference, but i dont know if it makes god look better or worse to be the one behind the butchering instead of being the tool doing it?

“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up” (Hosea 13:16).

“But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments…I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes…I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle” (Leviticus 26:14-22).

“If thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments…The Lord will smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish…The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart” (Deuteronomy 28:15-28).

mm seem like a nice guy! He doesnt come down in person to butcher but it seem to me like hes got some assistance.

“And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood” (Isaiah 49:26).

Yum!

But i can see why you christians have so much trouble with the muslims, as it is your job to annihilate them. Your god wants you to go butcher, so i guess you are excused hah. This is how god wants you to treat other religions...


"Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree; And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place" (Deuteronomy 12:2-3)

You christians are a hostile bunch of people..

[macktheknife]

Christians are persons who use the New Testament (the Word of Jesus Christ) as their roadmap for life. I know of no scripture in the New Testament that instructs us to go out and kill anyone--unlike the Quaran which is rife with such encouragements. There are accounts in the Old Testament of God leading the Israelites into battle (and winning). While Christians read the Old Testament as a historical reference of the events leading up to the birth of the Savior, Jesus Christ, we do not follow its tenets. Therefore, we would no more march around a city seven times, then blow a horn and attack than we would refuse to eat a nice, juicy ham. Now the New Testament does tell us that there will be a battle that will take place in Megiddo in which Christians will take part, and that all of the enemies of Jesus will be made a footstool there, but I believe that will be a battle between good and evil, not a literal battle. It goes without saying that the religion of Islam will be made a footstool there because Islam is the greatest enemy of Jesus there ever was.

[Niquie]

Any chance, as a "good christian" you can generalize even more about Islam?

How hypocritical can you get!

[macktheknife]

Since I base what I say upon what the Bible states, if you find it hypocritical you will need to take it up with God. There is no comparison between humans murdering other humans, and any act carried out by God. He's God--He can do whatever He chooses. He neither asks for, nor considers, your opinion or mine. Any religion that does not have Jesus Christ as its foundation is a false religion. While humans may buy into the argument that we must be tolerant of all religions, God does not--once again His prerogative considering He is God. It's like being the boss on the job. Bill may think he is a harder worker than Bob, but if the boss likes the quality of Bob's work better than that of Bill, he has every right to give Bob the promotion. He doesn't ask Bill for his opinion; he doesn't accept Bill's argument that he produces more work than Bob. He makes the decision--he's the boss!

[Niquie]

Hate to burst your bubble....and the only thing we know FOR CERTAIN that Jesus said was "Love one another", a concept you cannot and/or will not grasp.

You are no Christian. You are a hypocrite looking for an excuse to kill people because they do not believe in YOUR God.

You do the work of the devil [and it looks like I ought to know! But then, I don't take this religious mumbo-jumbo stuff seriously. It's all made up by men with a specific agenda.]

[macktheknife]

You're not bursting any bubble of mine because if you truly believe that the only thing we know for certain Jesus said is that we should love one another, then it is obvious you have neither read the New Testament nor spoken with anyone who has, therefore, rendering you incapable of making a worthwhile contribution to this discussion. It's obvious you're not even reading the posts before you respond--you're just looking for a forum in which to vent your anger. Had you read the posts you would know that I made it clear Christians do not believe in killing others REGARDLESS of their religion. Our New Testament does not instruct us to kill others. Our God does not instruct us to kill others. We do not try to whip each other into a frenzy of killing. From now on please read the posts before making yourself look foolish.

[Niquie]

And I also read between the lines.

You've made some damning accusations which could only lead one to believe that you think if Muslims die [in any circumstance], it is permissible because they are born into a hateful religion. I quote you:

It goes without saying that the religion of Islam will be made a footstool there because Islam is the greatest enemy of Jesus there ever was.

So, are you now telling me you want the enemies of your Jesus Christ to thrive and to flourish?

You made a HATEFUL statement and a gross generalization that shows you for your what are. A religious hypocrite. No better than any other fundamentalist religious zealot.

Careful, your satanic worship is showing.

[Niquie]

Any religion that does not have Jesus Christ as its foundation is a false religion.

How the hell he can make such a statement is beyond me. Did he die, meet God, get introduced to the REAL Jesus Christ and come back down here to teach us all the "real truth?"

Folks, this is the HEIGHTH of arrogance and a God complex at its worst.

This guy actually thinks he has all the answers.

[macktheknife]

You sound ignorant. I don't put things "between the lines." I lay it right out for all to see. Of course I don't want Islam to flourish--it is a false religion, so why would I want it to prosper and grow? But that is a far cry from wanting its followers to be murdered by human beings. I quoted the Bible where it is stated that Jesus will make a footstool of His enemies. The religion of Islam does not have Christ as its centerpiece; therefore, it is an enemy of Jesus Christ and He will make a footstool of it along with any and all false religions. If the statement is hateful, then you need to take it up with God because He is the one who stated it--not me. I just quoted. I will ignore your childish tirades about satanic worship. You seem to have a problem separating man's law from God's law. I don't know what country you are in, but I am in the United States where our constitution prevents the government from favoring one religion over another. But God's not bound by the constitution of the U.S. nor that of your country either. God can and does favor one religion over all others. He favors Christianity because it is the only one that has His Son, Jesus, as its foundation. Jesus Himself said that if you try to enter any other way, you are a robber and a thief. Now that may be hard for you to understand, having grown up in a politically-correct world where we are all taught that one religion is as good as another. God is not politically correct.

[Niquie]

Look, John Ashcroft, you are an idiot!

The Bible was written by man not God! It has a specific agenda -- you serve that agenda. I do not.

And I'll just bet your aching to go to war, aren't you?

Get those God Damned Muslims! Die Infidels!

You sicken me. Your ilk has ALWAYS sickened me.

Go thump your bible to someone who is as ignorant as you are. You fell for that religious right crap like an egg out of a tall chicken.

[macktheknife]

I hear syrup of ipecac is very good when one is sickened. You're barely lucid; get a grip on yourself. The Bible was "penned" by man, it was written by God. Only God knows the future and the Bible is full of prophecies--many of which have already been fulfilled. Serve whatever you please, even if it's a cactus plant. I have no opinions one way or the other about war. I leave all of that in God's very capable hands. When God is ready for Islam to be part of that footstool promised in the Bible, He will do it. He may or may not use one nation or another as His tool. I do not have to worry about that or second-guess Him. I have not mentioned the word "Muslim" in a single one of these posts, nor have I called for the death of anyone. You are just ate up with your belief that, somehow, you are able to reach across the miles and snatch thoughts and opinions.