The Passion of the Christ

I totally agree...
There was a time when i once implored with these Bible thumpers from the other forum for Christian unity (Even stood up for them when they were attacked by non-Christians), but they simply ignored my call. And when it came to my turn to defend my faith against their false accusations, they cried "foul". Sometimes i just wonder if they are doing this deliberately or perhaps they were "programmed" into being this way.

[Marmaduke]

Originally posted by COWSHOES
Jasper,

Agreed. As a matter of fact, I think Frank Zappa adressed the issue of religious fudamentalism in one of his old songs when he sang "Ramit. ramit. ramit. ramit up your poop shoot-". I could be wrong, It's been several years...

The songs that always stick in my memory (about TV Christian evangelists) are 'Heavenly Bank Account' and 'The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing' from his album 'You Are What You Is'..ohh..I am feeling all nostalgic...may have to listen to the whole of 'Thingfish' when I get home from work now

Read it for yourselves folks.
(Pages 1-4)
http://russia.com/forums/showthread....0&pagenumber=1
And since i have promised not to interfere discussions in her thread, she has taken every opportunity (Using bad history [Propaganda] and private interpretations)to further inject venom into the hearts of unsuspecting Believers.
Satan does know the Bible; he quoted Scripture to Jesus in Luke Chapter 4 and Matthew Chapter 4.

[theja]

Yes, Niquie Jesus said that to Peter and Peter alone. No one else. No successors. Not in the Bible.

I thank God for allowing John Wycliffe to see the light of the Gospel. No wonder he is fondly remembered as the "morning star of the Reformation".

As for the Council at Constance, the members there were imposters, heretics, and murderers. If DV wish to be on their side, that's his choice. Now I can understand better his mindset. Nothing he twists or spins can change the fact of history.

I long for the day you wake up from your dreams theja.
And i shall pray for you, even if you hate Catholics.

Originally posted by theja

Yes, Niquie Jesus said that to Peter and Peter alone. No one else. No successors.

I can see you're truly blinded by your cultic beliefs.
Your pastors did a good job by programming you.

Not in the Bible.

Is that all you know?
Is Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide in the Bible?
You never answer my questions.
Quit "snaking" around theja.

I thank God for allowing John Wycliffe to see the light of the Gospel. No wonder he is fondly remembered as the "morning star of the Reformation".

Morning Star...yes, that's Lucifer's other name.
No wonder Deformists are heading straight to hell.
Without Jesus' consent, they have made their own churches, own doctrines,
own dogmas and own gospels.
33,000 denominations and counting...
Wait, make that 33,001, since theja has just annointed herself as an "apostle".

As for the Council at Constance, the members there were imposters, heretics, and murderers. If DV wish to be on their side, that's his choice. Now I can understand better his mindset. Nothing he twists or spins can change the fact of history.

Fact of history? I already gave you the facts.
Facts from legitimate sources...
It's you who twist history derived from some author claiming to be a Church "expert" from a geocities website or professional anti-Catholic websites that claim to be God-fearing "Christians", who are holier than any other person on earth. I still laugh at the thought of you using Jack Chick's website to prove your point.
Lord have mercy!

[Fear_nam_Beanntan]

Originally posted by theja
In an attempt to justify Peter being the rock one cannot dismiss the written document that clearly dintinguishes petros and petra. The fact that it was written that way itself bears testimony to the eyewitness (Matthew) who wanted it expressed that way exactly.

You are just repeating yourself; you have yet to interact with a single one of my arguments, not to mention the numerous Protestant scholars who disagree with you.

Originally posted by theja
I find it very spurious to cite James allowing Peter to speak in the council to mean giving in to his pre-eminent position. Can one also say that Paul's rebuke of Peter disqualifies the same position?

Allowing him to speak? 15:7, Peter just gets up and speaks; no one gives him permission. Then everyone falls silent. James immediately concedes to Peter's position.

[Fear_nam_Beanntan]

Originally posted by theja
Jesus said that to Peter and Peter alone. No one else. No successors. Not in the Bible.

Read the pastoral epistles; St. Paul appointed successors. Then read some Church history; St. Peter did as well.

Also, you are going beyond your previous definition of sola Scriptura here. You said you would reject anything you found contrary to the Bible. What about when the Bible is silent? Here you are rejecting an idea (apostolic succession) simply because you don't find it in the Bible, even though there is nothing in the Bible which contradicts it. Will you let the disciples of the disciples (men like Ss. Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Rome, and Polycarp of Smyrnaea) fill in some historical gaps for you?

She also used to have a preacher in the Foursquare Church who was also a Klu Klux Klan member and preached "theological" justification for their racism and anti-Semitism.

No offence Niq, but is America really filled with such bigoted cult leaders who do nothing but tarnish the good name of the Lord?
I've noticed virtually all of the anti-Catholic trash from the internet and books comes from none other but Americans.

Fear...
Did you read the link i gave above?
(Especially on Page 4)
Notice her desperate attempts to further tarnish the Church?
She knows she can't do it here, so she turns to the other unsuspecting Believers over the other side to spread more of her poisonous venom.
Now what do you think of theja?
I'm not expecting you to attack her, but you can read her posts and read in between the lies...errmm...lines.

[Fear_nam_Beanntan]

Originally posted by _DigitaLVampirE_
Did you read the link i gave above?

No, but I have been to New Advent many times before.

Originally posted by _DigitaLVampirE_
Notice her desperate attempts to further tarnish the Church?
She knows she can't do it here, so she turns to the other unsuspecting Believers over the other side to spread more of her poisonous venom.
Now what do you think of theja?
I'm not expecting you to attack her, but you can read her posts and read in between the lies...errmm...lines.

I wouldn't call theja a liar; I think she truly believes what she says on this board. As misguided as she may be, I don't think she deserves this. Furthermore, in the context of Christian apologetics I don't think one should throw around any insult greater than perhaps accusing someone of fallacious reasoning or exegetical incompetence. We should certainly proclaim the truth with vigor, and not water down harsh realities (Cf. Galatians 5:4), however we should always do so in charity. If we are going to save theja's soul we are going to have to do it with compassion and line-by-line Biblical exegesis. Insults will not help this process at all.

As I side note, I would suggest you change the picture in your signature. It looks like something a rebellious teenage Wiccan would post, and could potentially drive away Protestants whom you are attempting to evangelize.

I was not referring to newadvent.com, i was referring to the forum link.
By the way, i have tried the above process you mentioned with theja several times in the past, but to no avail.
This is not to say that i have given up hope on reasoning with her,
but she does lie sometimes, Fear.

To fully understand my position, you would have to go through every single post and thread in the Religion Board over there and conclude for yourself how i arrived at this current position. I have no animosity towards Protestants. In fact, i spent 2 years preaching and exchanged Bible study notes with a Protestant Evangelist and we are still good friends to this very day. I only wish Protestants like theja would stop attacking the Church through private interpretations and associate us with the Whore of Babylon.
I would not mind civil discussions if she had not started her arrogant and deliberate anti-Catholic attacks. I do not hate her, i just despise the way she presents Catholics as bigots, either indirectly or directly.

My signature...Wiccan???
It's a work of art depicting Christ, stretching His arms to the faithful and the Devil in between tempting Eve to taste the elixir of life in the form of the Serpent. You do not have to appreciate it, and i do not consider myself as an Evangelist. I only "butt" in discussions when i feel there is a need for correction, otherwise i let them be most of the times.

One more thing Fear...
I'm not Jesus, nor am i one of the Apostles...I have never claimed to be holy, never claimed to be smart, never claimed to be righteous, never claimed to be free of sin, unlike some smoothies who think of themselves as uncorrupt, undefiled and upright, virtuous angels. I will continue to sin, be unperfect and unworthy, as this is how i see myself.
No, i'm not a pessimist, rather a realist.
And God is my judge.

I hope you understand.
Peace Be Unto You

[theja]

Jesus promised "MORNING STAR" (Revelation 2:28) to overcomers. John Wycliff overcame darkness as he saw the light by reading the Bible.

Save my soul? Is there anyone other than Jesus of the Bible that saves souls?

[Fear_nam_Beanntan]

Originally posted by theja
Save my soul? Is there anyone other than Jesus of the Bible that saves souls?

No, but as St. Paul stated in Galatians 4:4, Christ will avail you nothing if you embrace a false doctrine. The differences between Protestants and Catholics is greater than the differences were between Pauline Christians and the Judaizers whom St. Paul condemned, theja.

[Fear_nam_Beanntan]

I find it odd, Nique, that you have no problem with DV saying that deformers (a term analagous to papists, or romanists) are on the road to hell, yet when I say the same thing in somewhat less offensive terms, suddenly I am a Bible thumping fundamentalist.

And exactly why would I open up and share my feelings on this board? I've gotten nothing but slander since joining. I am definitely not inclined to share anything personal with either you or Jasper.

[theja]

FNB, its 5:4, not 4:4.

Why this verse? It's got nothing to do with my salvation. Besides I'm not advocating adherence to the law as requirement for salvation.

Personally, the Holy Spirit has confirmed in my heart about my status in Christ (Romans 8:15-16). I have participated in a Church that manifested all the workings of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. So I know a bit what it means to hear the voice of the Spirit in my heart or through prophecy. A message to the 7 Churches in Revelation: "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches."

In fact, -- I know DV will mock me for this -- God showed me what was about to happen before DV shows up and stir quite a storm over the book of Revelation I was sharing in Russia.com.

[Edited by theja on 6th March 2004 at 16:58]